Note by Me: Dr. King called himself a demosocialist, so it's not a big deal for me. A man has the right to accept whatever philosophy he wants. No economic philosophy is 100% perfect, yet it's 100% legitimate to call for labor rights, economic freedom, real liberties, social justice, and real justice for all peoples. It's a big deal for reactionaries that feel that anyone to the left of Glen Beck or to the left of Bill O'Reilly is a hardcore Communist.
By Timothy
I just got a letter from BO c/o DNC!
sanda_artistNYC - 11/25/2011 - 09:06
Here's the reply (roughly, from memory) that I sent back in the comment section of the fund raiser, in the prepaid envelope. (Note: I have never given any money to the DNC; no idea why I am on the list but I use the return SASE.)
"No drones, respect civil liberties, respect treaties, respect international law, create a federal jobs program. P.S. I gave my contribution to Occupy Wall Street." signed "one of the 99%" That's all I can remember.
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your stock is rising with me my brother. I hear you loud and clear. I tend not to express myself in the same way that you do, but you speak much truth. However, this has always been the debate among us. Do we shut up and take it? Or do we fight back? I personally say that we fight with those that fight with us. But Im not sure if we as a people have figured out when we should fight, versus when we should remain silent. One thing that is for d___ sure is that we have kept silent for FAR TOO LONG. And im not talking about yelling, screaming, and marching my brother. But I also do not advocate running in the streets burning down our own neighborhoods.
I think the masses of us need to come together and figure some things out. THis needs to be done by black people, and only black people, no black political figures need to be present, because they have already been bought and paid for. We dont need them bringing us down with their compromising spirit with the agents of white supremecy. Keep speaking these truths my brother.
I think the masses of us need to come together and figure some things out. THis needs to be done by black people, and only black people, no black political figures need to be present, because they have already been bought and paid for. We dont need them bringing us down with their compromising spirit with the agents of white supremecy. Keep speaking these truths my brother.
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Van Jones
rhone - 11/23/2011 - 17:04
We saw this in his stated reasons for accepting resignation from his advisor position on green jobs. When he came to Temple this March and I asked him why he accepted his resignation, he said Obama was trying to pass healthcare. I knew then that if he was willing to step down as WH advisor because of racist exaggerations by Republicans, then he certainly would not mind being used by the corporate Democrats to co-opt grassroots movements like OWS. Thank you Glen for reminding us we have to keep this OWS movement independent of the lethal two party mainstream who helped engineer this recession in the first place. -RF.
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GWBush Sr & Jr Are Descendents of the British Royal Family...
Nixakliel - 11/24/2011 - 08:26
Its probably true that the Bushes are descendents of the Mayflower gang; but I know for a fact they are decendents of the British Royal family as is/was John Kerry, & Obama's Mama, FDR, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, etc... If you really study these facts you probably conclude that the US Presidency is in effect an extension of the British Royal Family.
IMO: The core issue is not the Puritans [which is not to deny anything you pointed out above], nor Dims vs Repugs, nor so-called 'Liberal' vs conservative, nor Capitalism vs Communism- these are just different facists of the core issue. For non-white people the core issue is White Supremacy & White Domination over non-whites- Thats NOT to condenm white folks per-se' -but- any-one white or non-white infected w the madness of White-Supremacy! And make no-mistake about it- House-Negros like O-bomb-em, Susan & Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Uncle Judge Thomas, etc- are products of white-supremacy- thus they've bought into this white-supremacist system hook-line-&-Stinker! Bro Omali Yeshitela, chairman of the Black Is Back Coalition for Social Justice, Peace and Reparations, articulated so well - “We’ve got to uproot this system {of white supremacy}, so that our people & all people of the World can live,” - He went on further to explain that the concept of the Euro {white}Race was invented in the 1600s in order to unify whites, even those who had no personal stake in slavery, vis-a-vis non-whites whose cultures were under attack by & whose lands, resources & even the people [Africans] themselves were being stolen by Europeans infected w the madness of white-supremacy!
IMO: The core issue is not the Puritans [which is not to deny anything you pointed out above], nor Dims vs Repugs, nor so-called 'Liberal' vs conservative, nor Capitalism vs Communism- these are just different facists of the core issue. For non-white people the core issue is White Supremacy & White Domination over non-whites- Thats NOT to condenm white folks per-se' -but- any-one white or non-white infected w the madness of White-Supremacy! And make no-mistake about it- House-Negros like O-bomb-em, Susan & Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Uncle Judge Thomas, etc- are products of white-supremacy- thus they've bought into this white-supremacist system hook-line-&-Stinker! Bro Omali Yeshitela, chairman of the Black Is Back Coalition for Social Justice, Peace and Reparations, articulated so well - “We’ve got to uproot this system {of white supremacy}, so that our people & all people of the World can live,” - He went on further to explain that the concept of the Euro {white}Race was invented in the 1600s in order to unify whites, even those who had no personal stake in slavery, vis-a-vis non-whites whose cultures were under attack by & whose lands, resources & even the people [Africans] themselves were being stolen by Europeans infected w the madness of white-supremacy!
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Mdeborah
18 hours ago
Mdeborah
18 hours agoI've been around there since Monday, Sept. 19th and the first two weeks it was an entirely different story. That was the day I sat there and told them the stories of the slaves who built that wall on Wall street, who were the first stock on the exchange, who were forced to clear the old Indian Trail now called Broadway and who were lynched on Maiden Lane, Bowling Green and the very Wall street they scream about. They listened at first but when the money and the media and the infiltration came things changed by week 3. I knew they would. The only way many will ever learn the hell we and the Native Americans go through is to suffer the same indignities and live with it or not.
After the raid there was one girl screaming about how the police came and beat them up and did what they did to them and I had to remind her that before there was a Harlem and we were in it we were in every part of this city and we lived a nightmare. Riot after riot where crazed Irishmen during the draft riots in 1861 tried to raid every police station holding Blacks to kill them, how they burst into Alexander Abraham's home that he shared with his Mother up on 27th st. and 7th avenue where FIT stands now and dragged him out and lynched him in front of his mother. After the cops came and cut him down, the mob came back and strung up his dead body, tore pieces out of his body and set him ablaze. We ran to the outskirts of the city such as Weeksville in Brooklyn and Bergen, NJ.
I told her stories about how in 1900 one Black man had to defend his wife from being raped by a plainclothes cop on 41st St. /8th Ave. When the White man went to hit him for interrupting the attack he stabbed him and killed him. Two days later no Black person once again would be able to walk this city in peace for crazed Whites once again went after every single Black person would be under attack. This time when they appealed for help from the mob, the cops threw people back to the crowds to have their way.
Thomas Jennings who invented the dry scouring process did it right there on Church street, a stone's throw from Zucotti Park. He was the first Black man in American to own a patent and would form a vigilante group to defend Blacks from incessant attacks from maniacal Whites in this city. His clothing store was the largest and quite successful on Church street. Incidentally on that same street on Church and Leonard St. was a church started by Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglas. Thomas Jennings daughter, Elizabeth Jennings Graham successfully sued the trolley system after being thrown off a horse driven car in the 1890's to make way for a White man after she paid her fare on the only car that allowed Blacks that Sunday on her way to church. This occurred on Chatham and Pearl streets. When she died she was living at 271 W. 41st street.
She was represented by a future President Harding who would admit that relatives on both sides of his family jumped the fence.
I notice that so many of our folks don't know this history and that's just a smidgen of what used to go on there. We long for the old days of Harlem but it's downtown and every other part of this city we were once in fromwhat's now Chinatown andLittle Italy to Broome/Spring/Mercer St. to once burying our dead outside of Chambers street where we had to build yet another wall to keep "enemies" from entering the city limits at that time. We're buried on Greene street at the African burial ground but the graves of our ancestors number over 20,000 over the entire area.
In all of this I had to tell her about the hell of the Native Indians, on Lenapehoking (Land of the People) had to endure when being massacred or removed from a place they had lived for thousands of years. At that time they respected the land and the land returned the favor. I had to impress upon her in such a way that she understood that the cops, a group formed first formed by rich slave owners to patrol the slaves in NY and across the country were there once again to protect the interests of the elites. Just like back in the indentured slave/servant days, we're living this mess again and now you get to repeat the history that was suppressed. Welcome to America. She said "I'm from New Orleans!" I said "read Sally Mueller, the Lost German Slave Girl and get back to me about New Orleans. "
Sally Mueller is the true story of a German indentured servant who traveled as a child with her family. Both parents die, she is separated from her siblings and then the owner of her child labor decides to say she is Octoroon or Quadroon and keep her as a slave and everything that went with it. She and the reporter couldn't handle it. I then went on a walk up church street and stopped at the corner of church and Leonard to say a silent prayer of thanks to Frederick Douglas, Harriet Tubman and to Nanny - Harriet Tubman's Jamaican counterpart. You know, they didn't lynch all the valuable slaves back in those days, they sent the most rebellious off to the Caribbean. For a moment I can imagine Thomas Jennings getting a kick out of George Jefferson playing a dry cleaner in NYC. Those shows are so poignant even to this day although he needed to stop with all that honky nonsense and give Tom a break.
Ok, I've said enough but I'll leave everyone with this: Survival is the legacy of our ancestors including the White ones that risked life and limb for us. Take a look at our situation in comparison to our ancestors and recapture what they did to keep themselves together. We walk passed Church Street and you would never think we were ever there. We encounter scared, prejudiced Whites who want you out of the way or under control just like our ancestors encountered on all the streets of NY and always that threatening cop ready to stop and frisk
After the raid there was one girl screaming about how the police came and beat them up and did what they did to them and I had to remind her that before there was a Harlem and we were in it we were in every part of this city and we lived a nightmare. Riot after riot where crazed Irishmen during the draft riots in 1861 tried to raid every police station holding Blacks to kill them, how they burst into Alexander Abraham's home that he shared with his Mother up on 27th st. and 7th avenue where FIT stands now and dragged him out and lynched him in front of his mother. After the cops came and cut him down, the mob came back and strung up his dead body, tore pieces out of his body and set him ablaze. We ran to the outskirts of the city such as Weeksville in Brooklyn and Bergen, NJ.
I told her stories about how in 1900 one Black man had to defend his wife from being raped by a plainclothes cop on 41st St. /8th Ave. When the White man went to hit him for interrupting the attack he stabbed him and killed him. Two days later no Black person once again would be able to walk this city in peace for crazed Whites once again went after every single Black person would be under attack. This time when they appealed for help from the mob, the cops threw people back to the crowds to have their way.
Thomas Jennings who invented the dry scouring process did it right there on Church street, a stone's throw from Zucotti Park. He was the first Black man in American to own a patent and would form a vigilante group to defend Blacks from incessant attacks from maniacal Whites in this city. His clothing store was the largest and quite successful on Church street. Incidentally on that same street on Church and Leonard St. was a church started by Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglas. Thomas Jennings daughter, Elizabeth Jennings Graham successfully sued the trolley system after being thrown off a horse driven car in the 1890's to make way for a White man after she paid her fare on the only car that allowed Blacks that Sunday on her way to church. This occurred on Chatham and Pearl streets. When she died she was living at 271 W. 41st street.
She was represented by a future President Harding who would admit that relatives on both sides of his family jumped the fence.
I notice that so many of our folks don't know this history and that's just a smidgen of what used to go on there. We long for the old days of Harlem but it's downtown and every other part of this city we were once in fromwhat's now Chinatown andLittle Italy to Broome/Spring/Mercer St. to once burying our dead outside of Chambers street where we had to build yet another wall to keep "enemies" from entering the city limits at that time. We're buried on Greene street at the African burial ground but the graves of our ancestors number over 20,000 over the entire area.
In all of this I had to tell her about the hell of the Native Indians, on Lenapehoking (Land of the People) had to endure when being massacred or removed from a place they had lived for thousands of years. At that time they respected the land and the land returned the favor. I had to impress upon her in such a way that she understood that the cops, a group formed first formed by rich slave owners to patrol the slaves in NY and across the country were there once again to protect the interests of the elites. Just like back in the indentured slave/servant days, we're living this mess again and now you get to repeat the history that was suppressed. Welcome to America. She said "I'm from New Orleans!" I said "read Sally Mueller, the Lost German Slave Girl and get back to me about New Orleans. "
Sally Mueller is the true story of a German indentured servant who traveled as a child with her family. Both parents die, she is separated from her siblings and then the owner of her child labor decides to say she is Octoroon or Quadroon and keep her as a slave and everything that went with it. She and the reporter couldn't handle it. I then went on a walk up church street and stopped at the corner of church and Leonard to say a silent prayer of thanks to Frederick Douglas, Harriet Tubman and to Nanny - Harriet Tubman's Jamaican counterpart. You know, they didn't lynch all the valuable slaves back in those days, they sent the most rebellious off to the Caribbean. For a moment I can imagine Thomas Jennings getting a kick out of George Jefferson playing a dry cleaner in NYC. Those shows are so poignant even to this day although he needed to stop with all that honky nonsense and give Tom a break.
Ok, I've said enough but I'll leave everyone with this: Survival is the legacy of our ancestors including the White ones that risked life and limb for us. Take a look at our situation in comparison to our ancestors and recapture what they did to keep themselves together. We walk passed Church Street and you would never think we were ever there. We encounter scared, prejudiced Whites who want you out of the way or under control just like our ancestors encountered on all the streets of NY and always that threatening cop ready to stop and frisk
this is a classic example of speaking when you have no knowledge of what your talking about. he's just saying something to get ppl in his party (middle class and upper class white ppl) something to agree with him for votes cause they don't know nothing about living in a poor neighborhood and being part of the percentile that never gets mentioned... the ones that do come in early on monday and stay late on fridays, and are consistent with attendence at work and have been doin that for years. if that's the case, many of these businesses wouldn't be where they are today cause a big percentage of employees come from those very same poor neighborhoods. and those same ppl he's talking about pay taxes just like everybody else.
-A Person
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whowantz2kno4 hours ago
4 hours ago"aren't you all americans?"
Nah homie, this country has really never seen or treated blacks as if we are americans....And this occupy thing is no different. We , blacks are only seen as americans when the whites want us to fight for them...We are americans when the gov't wants to send our brothers and sisters to wars, we are american when they NEED our numbers and strength for something they want accomplished. Then it's back to basics and blacks having to fight tooth and nail for whatever we manage to gain....
They can have this occupy movement......
Nah homie, this country has really never seen or treated blacks as if we are americans....And this occupy thing is no different. We , blacks are only seen as americans when the whites want us to fight for them...We are americans when the gov't wants to send our brothers and sisters to wars, we are american when they NEED our numbers and strength for something they want accomplished. Then it's back to basics and blacks having to fight tooth and nail for whatever we manage to gain....
They can have this occupy movement......
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I have little to no respect for such "pastors".
Do you think Jesus went into the temple going in on the money changers with a PC approach?
Hell no, he turned the place upside down and ran those fools out of there
Do you think Jesus held his tongue when he was preaching to folks on how to live and showing them the error of their ways? Do you think he sold out and watered down his message just so he could get some more tithes and offerings?
Hizell no.
So why are preachers selling out and pandering? If anything they should be the first in line to tell it like it is.
But IMO these days the church and it's leaders have no backbone. They are corrupt and too easily influenced by the prospect of money and power/influence, so I wouldn't expect them to be a driving force towards positive change in the community.
Do you think Jesus went into the temple going in on the money changers with a PC approach?
Hell no, he turned the place upside down and ran those fools out of there
Do you think Jesus held his tongue when he was preaching to folks on how to live and showing them the error of their ways? Do you think he sold out and watered down his message just so he could get some more tithes and offerings?
Hizell no.
So why are preachers selling out and pandering? If anything they should be the first in line to tell it like it is.
But IMO these days the church and it's leaders have no backbone. They are corrupt and too easily influenced by the prospect of money and power/influence, so I wouldn't expect them to be a driving force towards positive change in the community.
-A Person
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LA Stone1 day ago
1 day agoAnd then there's that problem where we might get the SH!T beat out of us. Occupying While Black. They're pepper spraying their own white college kids. LOL I saw that and figured they were sending a clear message to us. Imagine what we would do to you. There's no chance I'm going to be out there.
But I also feel very strongly that it's kind of unrealistic for us to hope that the same people who enslaved us and continue to relentlessly hate us are looking to give us jobs in any appreciable numbers. If we can't find ways to earn money without begging for jobs from the oppressor, then we will continue on this downward trajectory that we're on. At this point, they are struggling to employ their own people. We're not even a thought for them. Once they find that their tables are again overflowing with prosperity, they will allow a few scraps to fall off for us to scramble over. We must become self reliant like other groups. I'm currently employed full time for "tha man", but I'm hoping that this will be the last time I have to do this. I ran my own business for about 8 years and I'm looking to do it again in 2012.
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My exwife is white and she is nuts. My ex gf right after her is even nuttier. They both had a "Teena Marie" mentality which quickly turned valley girlish when other white people were around. That was enough for me to just leave them (white women) alone. Over time, I have grown to not even find them attractive. Honestly, the more I pay attention to whats considered a "beautiful" white woman the more I realize the traits that separate them from the run of the mill white women are black women features. Dont believe in the stereotype that white women are submissive....theyre not. Frankly Im disgusted in myself for being gone from black women so long. All these beautiful black women and my dumb a___ chose to give myself to women who dont deserve to have me. Im not saying Im a super successful black man. Im far from that, I am a convict who started my own legit business 5 years ago. My business is small but the potential for growth is great and my income exceeds fiance's. My fiance, a black woman, is college educated and gainfully employed. She never judged me for going to jail. She doesnt even bring it up because she loves me for me. She loves my scarred hands, my blue collar work uniform, my tattoos, my lowriders,my white t shirts 501 jeans and Stacy Adams....basically she loves me for me and not what her friends deem a "successful black man". I dont need a 401k or a suit and tie gig, she drives a BMW I dont have to because its not what I like. I drive a truck, an old dependable Chevy truck at that, because Im humble...until Sunday lol thats when I pull out my 83 Coupe DeVille on D's and hydraulics. She's doesnt care what her friends think of it either. My woman wont hesitate to roll with me to car shows or for a Sunday cruise and a bite to eat.
There's a lot of us good black men out there... just stop trying to make us into something we are not. If you want a n___ black man....find one. If you want a professional business black man....find one. If you want an athlete...find one. Whatever youre looking for is out there just give us chance. For awhile I stopped believing in you (black women)...I was a fool. I can tell you from the stories I heard when I was locked up. A lot of us made mistakes early on in life but dont let that be the reason why you pass a lot of us by. I love my woman and I thank God everyday that He finally gave me a good black woman who loves me for me. Those white women....lol they are living out a forbidden fantasy...taboo. Thats all it is. In my entire life, Ive only seen one interracial couple stay married for over 10 years....what does that say ?
--buffalo soldier
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Just my opinion but the reason why a white woman won't get pregnant is because they don't want the black man in the first place. Just his NBA, NFL money. The thought of having a black child even for the purposes of child support disgusts most of them.
If it wasn't for the sports dollars these same white women would not give them the time of day or look in their direction and probably cross the street if they saw him coming in their direction.
Years ago I had a white girlfriend/golddigger who dated a legendary sports star (hint: I live in chicago so your first guess as to the legend is correct) and other celebs as well.
Did he give her things/money - Yes!
Did they have sex - Yes!
Did she want his child - Hell-2-da-Naw
She would not think of showing up at her moms house with a dark skinned baby. After all what would her german father say? He would disown her. But money is green.
I was young and assumed that she had no issues about having black friends cause she liked black men so much. But when I realized that it's not blacks she liked, just black men (and only ones with money), I realized that I had befriended a racist white c___ and stopped all communication with her.
-A Person
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You must be talking about that hoochie Kendra that is married to the basketball player, no.. I don't watch the show but saw a clip on where hubby was headed out looking for ways to earn money and she said something to the effect "yea, you need to go make that money" with attitude in her voice.
-lovelyone (A Black Woman)
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Paltrow notices sowmthing that deeply upsets white racists and some racially biased blacks as well---that younger people are coming more and more to see each other as HUMAN BEINGS. They are more and more able to appreciate the BEAUTY in human diversity.
But I think they need also see the importance of recognizingh and breaking down INSTITUTIONALIZED inequaiity still existing along racial lines.
Nonetheless, there is progress. Look at the OWS Movmeent that is sweeping America and the world: It is the color of the rainbow
-Savant
But I also feel very strongly that it's kind of unrealistic for us to hope that the same people who enslaved us and continue to relentlessly hate us are looking to give us jobs in any appreciable numbers. If we can't find ways to earn money without begging for jobs from the oppressor, then we will continue on this downward trajectory that we're on. At this point, they are struggling to employ their own people. We're not even a thought for them. Once they find that their tables are again overflowing with prosperity, they will allow a few scraps to fall off for us to scramble over. We must become self reliant like other groups. I'm currently employed full time for "tha man", but I'm hoping that this will be the last time I have to do this. I ran my own business for about 8 years and I'm looking to do it again in 2012.
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My exwife is white and she is nuts. My ex gf right after her is even nuttier. They both had a "Teena Marie" mentality which quickly turned valley girlish when other white people were around. That was enough for me to just leave them (white women) alone. Over time, I have grown to not even find them attractive. Honestly, the more I pay attention to whats considered a "beautiful" white woman the more I realize the traits that separate them from the run of the mill white women are black women features. Dont believe in the stereotype that white women are submissive....theyre not. Frankly Im disgusted in myself for being gone from black women so long. All these beautiful black women and my dumb a___ chose to give myself to women who dont deserve to have me. Im not saying Im a super successful black man. Im far from that, I am a convict who started my own legit business 5 years ago. My business is small but the potential for growth is great and my income exceeds fiance's. My fiance, a black woman, is college educated and gainfully employed. She never judged me for going to jail. She doesnt even bring it up because she loves me for me. She loves my scarred hands, my blue collar work uniform, my tattoos, my lowriders,my white t shirts 501 jeans and Stacy Adams....basically she loves me for me and not what her friends deem a "successful black man". I dont need a 401k or a suit and tie gig, she drives a BMW I dont have to because its not what I like. I drive a truck, an old dependable Chevy truck at that, because Im humble...until Sunday lol thats when I pull out my 83 Coupe DeVille on D's and hydraulics. She's doesnt care what her friends think of it either. My woman wont hesitate to roll with me to car shows or for a Sunday cruise and a bite to eat.
There's a lot of us good black men out there... just stop trying to make us into something we are not. If you want a n___ black man....find one. If you want a professional business black man....find one. If you want an athlete...find one. Whatever youre looking for is out there just give us chance. For awhile I stopped believing in you (black women)...I was a fool. I can tell you from the stories I heard when I was locked up. A lot of us made mistakes early on in life but dont let that be the reason why you pass a lot of us by. I love my woman and I thank God everyday that He finally gave me a good black woman who loves me for me. Those white women....lol they are living out a forbidden fantasy...taboo. Thats all it is. In my entire life, Ive only seen one interracial couple stay married for over 10 years....what does that say ?
--buffalo soldier
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Just my opinion but the reason why a white woman won't get pregnant is because they don't want the black man in the first place. Just his NBA, NFL money. The thought of having a black child even for the purposes of child support disgusts most of them.
If it wasn't for the sports dollars these same white women would not give them the time of day or look in their direction and probably cross the street if they saw him coming in their direction.
Years ago I had a white girlfriend/golddigger who dated a legendary sports star (hint: I live in chicago so your first guess as to the legend is correct) and other celebs as well.
Did he give her things/money - Yes!
Did they have sex - Yes!
Did she want his child - Hell-2-da-Naw
She would not think of showing up at her moms house with a dark skinned baby. After all what would her german father say? He would disown her. But money is green.
I was young and assumed that she had no issues about having black friends cause she liked black men so much. But when I realized that it's not blacks she liked, just black men (and only ones with money), I realized that I had befriended a racist white c___ and stopped all communication with her.
-A Person
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You must be talking about that hoochie Kendra that is married to the basketball player, no.. I don't watch the show but saw a clip on where hubby was headed out looking for ways to earn money and she said something to the effect "yea, you need to go make that money" with attitude in her voice.
-lovelyone (A Black Woman)
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Paltrow notices sowmthing that deeply upsets white racists and some racially biased blacks as well---that younger people are coming more and more to see each other as HUMAN BEINGS. They are more and more able to appreciate the BEAUTY in human diversity.
But I think they need also see the importance of recognizingh and breaking down INSTITUTIONALIZED inequaiity still existing along racial lines.
Nonetheless, there is progress. Look at the OWS Movmeent that is sweeping America and the world: It is the color of the rainbow
-Savant
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