Saturday, October 31, 2015
Saturday, October 17, 2015
Savant's New Words
That experience wouldn't give him authority on King, especially not on King's social and political philosophy. It wouldn't verify his claims that King was conservative (if that's his view). At any rate, people from East Baltimore who grew up in the time of King do not all think in the same way. How has Marcus' views any more authority than that others who grew up in aast Baltimore at the same time?(By the way, I encountered VERY FEW Blacks in east Bmore who believed that ALL of the problems of Black America were caused by "whitey". I think it's a MYTH that most Black people think that. They do believe--CORRECTLY--that a large part of the problem is rooted in racism and economic injustice)
As regarding King's philosophy, has honestly studied it? Or does he simply pick words or phrases that suit him to make his point.
I can cherry pick comments from speeches or writings of some Marxists or Anarchists, or revolutionary Blacks like some 1960s Black Panthers.
Overwhelmingly, King was a PROGRESSIVE.
Actually, I NEITHER stated nor implied that those leaders who abandoned or watered down king's vision of economic justice were motivated by self-hatred. In fact, I was thinking about somethig else--though, now that do think about it, who knows? But what i REALLY had in mind was lack of vision and the blinkering of imagination and consciemce by narrow class interests.
Now economic justice DOES NOT exist in either law or fact. If it did, there would be no poverty in the world richest nation. There would be no illiteracy. There would be no joblessness. And everyone who needed decent health care would have it. It was to attain economic justice that King sought to win an ECONOMIC BILL OF RIGHTS during the Poor Peoples Campaign. That economic justice isn't legally guaranteed was well understood by King himself.
Hence his comment: "It is not a Constitutional right that men have jobs, but it is a HUMAN right." (See p.5 of FROM CIVIL RIGHTS TO HUMAN RIGHTS, by Prof. Thomas Jackson or PAPERS OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR (3))
Unfortunately, economic inequities are structurally built into the economym abd cabbi be renedied without (in King's words) a "radical redistribution in political and economic power."
But he meant from the haves to the have nots. What we've seen over the past 30 years is a redistribution of more of the nation's wealth from the have nots (and have less) to the haves. This must be halted and reversed, maybe by a NEW MOVEMENT for economic justice.
As to the claim that anyone can simply work his/her way out of poverty, that's an old rags-to-riches myth like the divine rights of kings and Santa Claus.
There are alwatys those who will "succeed", but those individuals do not amount to a coutrrargument. You had the wealthy Cuffee brothers even during slavery. You had CJ Walker even during the early 1900s. The state of most people are little affected by this.
Poverty and exploitation are SOCIAL CONDITIONS, not expressions of individual character. And in a period when the electronic revolution threatens to make labor itself obsolete, the "hard work"ethics is virtually irrelevant as indeed it was always false.
-Savant
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I've no evidence that most Blacks in the military marry white women. What is the source of your information? As for Farrakhan, I think he's past his prime; and if he did say that Blacks should avoid the military I doubt that many will listen. But I also doubt that what he said can be the basis for a treason trial. Nor is it likely that Blacks who did avoid the military could on those grounds alone be tried for treason....unless they've passed some new laws I've not heard about
-Savant
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Islam est un religion, pas un race. Mais...Muslim, like Jews, can be RACIALIZED and then disdained for their race. In such cases, Islamophobie est un forme du racism. Something like that happened historically in relation to the Jews. In Christian Europe, jews were initially people who practice the "wrong" religion. But eventually they came to be seen as an alien race. At that point, what we call "anti-Semitis m" becomes not only religious bigotry and intolerance, but racism. And this began to happen well before Nazism, as maybe the prehistory of Nazism. I fear that today something similar may be happening in regard to the Muslims, at least among those bigots who recognize that anti-Jewish or anti-Black racism has lost much of its social acceptability.
-Savant
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Aside from his anti-Black racism and his anti-intellectuali sm, I now think (especially given his post here) that he suffers from an inferiority complex. I wonder if he has ever been humiliated or subjected to contempt by educated black and/or white people in UK. I recall him saying something about my academic credentials being "worthless "--possibly because he is envious and resentful that he has none. And despite the fact that my PRIMARY commitment is to Black folk of the impoverished working class (from whence I came myself) and the destitute AA subproletariat, he said that I disdain Blacks who do not have academic degrees. (In fact, I am actually disdainful or at least skeptical of the BLACK ELITE which usually does have degrees and money, and who like Obama or Mayor Rawlings denounce our poor--but not the corporate elite whom they serve--as thugs and criminals). I suspect freddy has been victimized by academically privileged people. If he were a CONSCIOUS brother, he'd be more like Malcolm X or George Jackson---astute, articulate and committed Black men easily the equal or the better of many with the most prestigious degrees from the most prestigious universities in the West. But one of the things that the wave of activism has revealed in Baltimore, is that some of the most PERCEPTIVE Black folk are precisely those brothers and sisters in Gilmore projects (Freddie Gray's home); people who may not get their subject/verb order correct but who can see through the BS of the white corporate propaganda machine much better than many of my colleagues. They don't seem to feel inferior to people with academic degrees nor are they resentful. They merely want to know whether they can RELY on you, on your solidarity. And frankly, it doesn't bother me at all that they call me BROTHER rather than Doctor or Professor. In fact, I am honored, and have no reservation about putting what ever skills I have, and in any way I can, to advance the liberatory struggles of the masses of my black brothers and sisters, and the struggles of all oppressed in this country and on this planet
-Savant
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I work to overthrow the ruling class It is YOU who are kissing the ass of the ruling class, which is why you think of poor people as depraved--why YOU who are continually belittling the poor, but NEVER denounce police terrorism or racism or capitalism. Also, my students are black, white, latin, Asian and others. And they all posses what you lack: intelligence, integrity and a social conscience. And I needn't try to make a fool of you. YOU do a better job of that than I can hope to do, you stupid son of a mongoose.
-Savant (in response to a hater)
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When I last visited France in the late 1980s--1990, Blacks in Paris alone was estimated to be in the tens (if not hundreds) of thousands. In the country as a whole there are now a few millions. There are a few millions in UK as well. Most of Europe doesn't have large numbers. But it is not inconceivable nor impossible that Blacks in France could eventually become proportionately as large as in the USA, or at least Canada. The Black population has grown since I was last in France in 1990, though I don't how much. While I don't consider it to be a foregone conclusion that Blacks will be proportionately as large in France as in Canada (about 9%) or the USA (12% --14%), it is possible. And the Arabs are even larger. France, like other European countries, will likely remain predominantly "white" for the forseeable future; but it will have color spread all through her.
I don't see how a Black or Brown majority can happen in your country in the foreseeable future, but I can see the possibility of a sizeable minority within a generation or two. Aren't Blacks already between 3%--5% of the French population. It was certainly a joy to see so many of my Francophone brothers and sisters over there. When I told my Uncle Oscar about the growth in the number of Blacks over there, he said he wished he could return. "Savant, if I was a young as you I would go back" he said.
-Savant
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Contemporary genetics and biology seems to have already shown that race is (except as a socio-historical category) pure fiction. How essential is genetics to ethnicity? Consider: W.E.B. Du Bois in DUSK OF DAWN notes that there were a few members of his family who after passing for one generation had children, eventually grandchildren, who has no clue or even suspicion of any African ancestry. Of course, that is the exception rather than the rule. But at what point do such descendants cease being African-American. The Nordic looking Jewish fellow student of whom Sartre wrote KNEW that he was Jewish, even though he was secular (probably atheistic), which means he knew of a Jewish identity and history which Germans (and maybe many French) had no clue about. But what happens if you're cut off for such a long time that you lose awareness of membership in any such group? Consider the 10 lost tribes. If they weren't physically exterminated they must have had some descendants. Somebody out there to this day may have some genetic inheritance of the Northern tribes of ancient Israel. But after 2,700 years, they probably are not even aware of it. To what extent do ethnicity depend on genetic inheritance, and to what extent upon culture and ethnic identity or consciousness. To return to Du Bois and the African-American context, the vast majority of African-Americans have not only a certain genetic inheritance but an identity, collective consciousness and (though some would contest this) a culture. But what about Du Bois' kin who passed for white, allowed their children to pass for white (or simply didn't let them know about the AA ancestry), and then their children. Eventually, you get a group who (despite the "one drop rule") have essentially a white American identity. Do you not lose your ethnicity---DNA evidence notwithstanding--- once an identity and consciousness has disappeared?
-Savant
https://shazereverquar.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/1-the-destruction-of-black-civiliaztion.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on
Thursday, October 15, 2015
Literature from Sister Trojan Pam
http://racismws.com/2015/10/11/a-dr-welsing-moment/
http://racismws.com/2015/10/13/a-follow-up-to-a-dr-frances-c-welsing-moment/
@ scottytreid
My point is not that whites will genetically annihilate African genes, it’s that they will increase the number of “white-appearing” people and decrease the number of “black-appearing” people by promoting IR sex/breeding. And that among those non-whites with a white parent, the majority will be grossly white-identified and will have little to no concern OR contact with their black brethen.
I can only speak from my own personal experience and among those in my family who fall into that category EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is grossly white identified. They do not date/marry black people. They have few to NO black friends. And more than half wish they were all white. In fact, the ONLY benefit to being black is when there is a booby prize available, like a “black” scholarship or some set aside for a “minority” and only then will they publicly acknowledge
“Okay I’m not white, I’m a minority.”
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they think they’re white but I am saying that I believe secretly that they wish they were ALL WHITE. And I don’t blame them for that because being white is EASIER than being trapped in the middle (like a Twilight Zone) where people demand you choose a “side” or where people don’t fully accept you on the black side and where white people still mistreat you on the white side. It’s one hell of a dilemma to establish a REAL identity.
to your question, am I a light-skinned black female? I am a light-brown-skinned black female who is characterized by some as “light-skinned”
I am not advocating killing anyone, let alone light-skinned black people, however, there is a historical PATTERN of so-called biracial people being USED by our white oppressors AGAINST their blacker brothers and sisters. As Dr. Chancellor Williams, a great black historian once wrote:
“The melting pot of the races began around the northern perimeter.
The end result was always the same: The Blacks were pushed to the
bottom of the social, economic and political ladder whenever the Asians
(meaning whites) and their mulatto offspring gained control.
This scheme of weakening the Blacks by turning their half-white
brothers against them cannot be overemphasized because it began in
the early times and it became the universal practice of whites, and is
still one of the cornerstones in the edifice of white power…” — Chancellor
Williams, “Destruction of Black Civilization — Chapter II: Ethiopia’s
Oldest Daughter: Egypt. pg. 61.”
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Was he advocating killing all light-skinned people? I seriously doubt it. Am I promoting it? Of course not, but there are patterns here that deserve to be studied. WHO is more likely to be grossly white identified? A black child raised by two black people? Yes, it could happen, of course, if the two black parents are white identified but at least there is a very good chance that child will be SELF-IDENTIFIED as a black person.
But who is MORE LIKELY to be white identified and totally rejecting of their black side?
A black person with two black parents?
Or a non-wnite person with a white parent?
I’m speaking of the odds not the absolutes. And in my opinion, black people having children with white people INCREASES THE ODDS that they will breed children who will be MORE white-identified, MORE “white-appearing,” and LESS LIKELY to breed with or date or marry or want to be aligned with black people in the fight against white supremacy.
And as far as I’m concerned, we have ENOUGH confusion within our ranks. We don’t need to BREED any more. That is my point.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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Long have I observed that bi-racial off-spring will cling to and support their “white origins” because society and white supremacy has taught them that if they identify as Black or another non-white group? The common denominator that non-white groups share is that they all hold no power.
“And power only respects MORE power.”
-Sister Phazex Female
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@ scottytreid
I’ll respond one point at a time.
I agree, the dominant genes can’t be wiped out.
When I speak of genetic genocide, I don’t mean wiping out the dominant genes entirely BUT the weakening and ADULTERATION of our dominant genes. Certainly, a diluted gene is not the same as it’s original form and we have no idea how much this may over time weaken our genetics, so this is not a small matter.
We can certainly see the end result with our own eyes, where any obvious trace of the black ancestors are literally being wiped out. I have this in my family where by the second generation, the APPEARANCE has drastically changed.
I’ve seen 2nd generation offspring with blond hair and blue eyes and skin fair enough to pass for white. And that 1st and 2nd generation will MOST LIKELY breed with a white person so by the next generation, they will be INDISTINGUISHABLE psychologically and physically from a white person.
The white supremacists are trying by any means possible to increase the white population numerically and I believe they care LESS about the purity of the “white person” and more about the number of white (or white-appearing) foot soldiers they will need to keep this system going.
When I say self-genocide, I’m talking abut genetic, economic, political, sexual, psychological, and spiritual destruction and we can see the effect it has had on our families (mostly negative) and our children (mostly negative via our love affair with anything that doesn’t look “too black”), and the widening gulf between black males and females (making UNITY an impossibility).
All the above represents — to me — the destruction of a people
Keep in mind the excerpt taken from my first book was written in 2009 and there are some things I would phrase differently now or leave out entirely and one of the statements I would eliminate is:
“Therefore, the black male who breeds with the white female represents: The single biggest threat to black liberation and are the biggest non-white allies of racism/white supremacy.”
I plan on omitting that statement in a revised version of the book because it is incorrect to label the black male as “the biggest threat” OR as a non-white ally of white supremacy.
The biggest threat is white supremacists — not black people.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ TheOriginalBlackWoman13
Funny you should mention that, I have had that conversation many times before how it SEEMS the non-white males with a black parent and a white parent usually seem to marry/date white. They might date another person like themselves (with a white parent) but almost never date or marry black females
Also, consider Tiger Woods who has an Asian mother and a black father who –to my knowledge–has never dated an Asian female but only dates/marries white females
So-called bi-racial males, particularly those with white fathers, seem to be the most troubled out of all the combinations — in my experience — and IF they marry (and many do not) they are frantic to breed that blackness out of them.
I think having a white father is particularly troublesome because a white male CANNOT teach a black male how to function as a black male. The WM however, could give him some invaluable information about HOW white people function but I seriously doubt that ever happens
Like Dr. Welsing once said whenever she asked a white person to tell her what white people say when there are no black people are in the room, not one white person has ever answered her question.
And I have never had a bi-racial person say that their white parent told them anything about how white people function in regard to non-white people and in fact, I’ve had some say their white parent won’t discuss racism (!)
to me that is the CLEAREST POSSIBLE EVIDENCE that the white parent of a non-white child is MORE concerned with protecting the system of white supremacy AND the secrets of other white people than they are with the welfare of their non-white child — or that non-white partner they sleep with. (Red flag).
That alone, should be enough reason to stay out of their beds, especially the matrimonial kind.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@Timothy
Thanks for your comments on colorism. As you stated “no grown black man should hate the racial identity of the black mother who gave him birth.” However, unless the parents start ingraining the black formula of beauty into the psyche of black male (and female) children at an early age, they will always seek the one taught them by the white media. You are correct also that “the system of white supremacy is not omnipotent. White racists are not divine.” White supremacy is a flawed, man-made system and can be defeated. However, we need to learn to out-think them. I also believe that with God’s help we can achieve this, but we as a people need to collectively do our part as well, and I believe God will do the rest.
Have a great weekend.
-Sister Sharon53
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@Courtney H.
I have to agree with your statement “It helps to channel hurtful and angry feelings into sharing your experiences with like-minded people who listen and give advice.” I found out about these blogs on another website about 5 years ago and have been following them since that time. I have learned so much that have helped me to understand what is going on around me concerning the state of blacks in America and around the world. Even though things have been getting worse and worse for blacks since integration took full swing, for some reason, back around 2010, it seemed like the heat really began to turn up on us and it appeared like I was the only one that could see that something was getting out of control. I felt like I was helplessly standing on the side of a track watching others about to get run over by a train and could not do anything. So I did a search on the Internet to see what Minister Farrakhan had to say about things and stumbled across these blogs. I have noticed that a few more people are coming onto the blogs and beginning to see what we are seeing out here. Just the other day, I even heard a female family member use the word ‘white supremacy’ and I almost fell out of my seat because that is unheard of by females in my family. I said to myself, at least it is a start. What I believe is beginning to happen is the “ripple effect”, which I hope will continue. I hope it is not just another ‘catch phrase’ or fad such as ‘black is beautiful’ and ‘black and I’m proud’ that so many of us used back in the day and did not really mean it.
-Sister Sharon53
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Courtney H. says:
October 15, 2015 at 6:45 pm
@ Sister Neketa:
I watched most of the first two videos. I agree — the first one contained some sickening content. As Brother Timothy said, white supremacy and moral degeneracy are linked.
Thank you for watching the videos and commenting. I was touched by your comments about your children.
I have been coming to this blog for about two or three years now, and I have learned a lot. It helps to channel hurtful and angry feelings into sharing your experiences with like-minded people who listen and give advice.
Thank you for joining us, Neketa! Welcome! :D
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@Shanequa
I don’t believe white women truly love black men nor their biracial children. People marry and have children for all kinds of reason and they are not necessarily out of love. This may seem harsh but I think it is mostly about saving the white race and reducing the black population. Those people are so narcissistic that they probably think that black men and biracial children are an entitlement to them.
-Sister Sharon
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@ Providence
Right, to maintain this system you must maintain a certain level of foot soldiers and advocates by any means necessary. This is not a new dilemma. After slavery, the white supremacists had to increase the number of “white” people to keep black people under control (meaning to limit our progress, hence the inclusion of “honorary whites” like Irish, Italians, Greeks, etc and now more recently, encouraging Hispanics to classify themselves as ‘White Hispanics”
Check out this link to a NY Times article in 1910 about “The Union of Black Mothers and White Fathers Will Bring About Negro Elimination”
It’s obvious the white supremacists do not believe IR sex will eliminate whites — they believe just the reverse.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/ny-times-article-1910-elimination-of-the-negro-the-black-woman-white-man-genocide.271711/
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@TrojanPam
You said, “The male of every community is the LYNCHPIN of that community but unfortunately, is often also the weakest link and the easiest to bend and ultimately break.”
This is something that I find quite puzzling. Many Black Men/Boys sooo easily fall for the white beauty standard myth and the white (or non-black) woman as the superior womanhood whereas Black Women have stated for years (and publicly) It’s a Black Man or No Man. But….I think if things keep going the way its going now between the collective Black Male/Female Relationship we will see a shift in this attitude amongst Black Women; it’s already started.
Many Black Women have asked and are asking, “Although Black Men and Women have gone through the same psychological trauma and have had white supremacist programming shoved down our throats for the last 500 years how come the Black Woman Collective (save for a minority) still desire the Black Man (especially the dark skinned Black Man) as a mate, husband, mate and father of our children, yet IT SEEMS that Black Men (not all, just too many) tend to want a woman as close to white as possible as his mate, wife, and mother of his children? Have Black Men become sooo weakened by the SOR? Are Black Women psychologically stronger than Black Men?
This is a conundrum to many sistas!
-TheOriginalBlackWoman13
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neketa0824 says:
October 12, 2015 at 8:18 pm
I’ve recently come across this blog and find it has an abundance of true food for thought; to the creator of this blog, I thank you for creating a space where we Black people can have true, constructive discussion about issues which truly matter. That being said, I have a question to pose to you as well as others who might subscribe to your blog and might have insight into my ‘dilemma’. There is truly a missing piece of the puzzle I do not think I’m getting, and so a lot of what I try to implement seems to be for naught.
Now, at this point in my life, I see what we call ‘life’ – this experience we have upon this prison planet/Matrix, as a setup under which we are all here to get authentic spiritual growth. That, obviously, is going to come with a certain amount of challenges. After all, we can’t build muscle without resistance.
Under the same logic, I believe we all incarnate here for certain experiences and to get those, we must decide to take the bodies of a certain individual – someone who is born to a particular set of parents in particular circumstances within a particular demographic and geographic location…you get the picture.
Thus, this tells me that, in a previous life, I could have inhabited the visage of the very people who are trying to hurt me now in this new life where I don the body of a Black American woman. It also tells me, when I die this time around, should I decide to come here again, I may take on another visage to push my soul even more. The goal (presumably) is spiritual growth.
At a time, before learning this, I thought dying was the worse thing which could happen to a person. Now I see it is not. It is the one thing we can all depend on and, thus, death, no matter what the vehicle which brings it to us, brings a relief of sorts. I say that because I had to accept that FIRST before I could start putting anything else into perspective. Until I put that fear to rest, I could not really ‘see’ what seems to be happening. Being stuck solely in survival mode prevented me from taking a step back to 1) determine exactly what life is, 2) what the purpose of it is and 3) what I’m truly supposed to be doing. As Mr. Neely Fuller said it quite simply, though, we are here to act consciously and constructively, to learn how to solve problems (aka helping the Spirit grow).
So, all this being said, I’m trying to figure out what is the true ‘fear’ behind genetic annihilation – on our part as Black people and that from ‘White people’. If the bodies we inhabit are temporal and we are all literally just players on a stage, all here to push through limitations and experiences ourselves as Spirit in different forms in a material form until we release our corporeal bodies and dissolve back into Ether, then what is the real ‘fear’ of what is happening here, or what is it we are truly trying to stop? If it is Spirit which animates the bodies we operate, how can there be a true distinction between physical bodies which have melanin and those which do not? How can there be a fear from us as black people of being killed off we aren’t our bodies anyway? On the same token, how can White people be afraid of being killed off when, again, our physical lives are temporary anyway and, thus, cannot be preserved? These are questions I’ve asked myself over and over again.
The more I ask myself this question, I am brought back to the original fear I had of dying. For the life of me, I can’t understand why a group like White supremacists would invest the amount of energy and time in detesting our people as they do, to the point they have created an entire Global system to keep us all imprisoned, Blacks in particular.
When my mind gets totally clear, though, there is only one thought which comes in, consistently. It is not one I ‘feel’ comfortable with, honestly, but, by following the logic (as Mr. Neely Fuller would say) – my logic, at least – the only thing I can come up with is that ‘those’ who have created the system of White supremacy are not truly human beings, or should I say, the Spirit which animates us as human beings (no matter how crazy we may act when we are out of balance here on Earth) may not be the same Force which is animating them. It also makes me think that the true difference between White people and White Supremacists is, again, the latter group is not truly human, in that they are totally incapable of reform, compassion or accountability.
Thus, whatever it is we claim to be fighting for (preservation of our melanated physical race) is actually a war for something else.
Of course, I could be wrong about this.
Forgive me if this isn’t the correct blog to ask such a question but has anyone else contemplated this question in detail as well, from a spiritual perspective? I truly am trying to figure out that last piece of the puzzle. For as much sense as Dr. Welsing has always made, I still always have a final ‘why’ – why a group of ‘people’ whose individuals will eventually die, just like we all will someday, are so hellbent on maintaining, seemingly, an unending reign of temporal power over this particular planet in general? To me, this doesn’t feel like the way of Spirit…
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I’m with you a thousand percent, PAM. My comment wasn’t a response to you.
As for the stuff of genetics- if you all remember – LBM has long been questioning the hueman-ness of beings classified as white. So I’m one person who does not have to be convinced that we may very well have prolonged the existence and given human DNA to a creature that wasn’t fully human. Now here we are debating whether Africans mating with Africans reproduce US as the strongest HUMAN – or the human we would want to reproduce.
I also agree with the parenting issue. My children’s parents were married before they were conceived and continue to be married. I know many black fathers who were and are on the scene for their children. I still maintain that there is indeed a problem of absent fathers in our “communities”. Funny thing is- when comes to blaming the community’s woes on someone, many black males point to the raising of the children by black women. Then want to turn around and say “deadbeats” are minimal.
We must understand how comprehensive this verb of white domination is. It’s coming from ALL directions and my only concern is when we don’t see something as part of the attack – as a problem – we won’t address it as such…..We’re seeing this right here as it pertains to sexing with whites – folks failing to see the danger of saying any manner of female can produce a black child.
-Sister LBM
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@ LBM
Interesting comment. Have we prolonged their existence by infusing them with our human DNA? I do believe there are variations of appearance AND mentality based on how much AFRICAN (for lack of a better word) DNA is in their genes. I believe our DNA does humanize and those with less and who are closer in genetics to the Neanderthal may exhibit more beastly mental and physical characteristics.
And for those who think this is pure speculation, European scientists have CONFIRMED the European is a HYBRID between MAN and Neanderthal.
Who is MAN? (the black man and woman).
If you do a search on youtube for the National Geographic program about Neanderthals, you will hear and see with your own eyes and ears. If you can’t find the link, let me know and I’ll try to find it in my records
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@Sharon53
Thank you for sharing this article.
@Sharon53, Courtney H, and Timothy
It’s tragic that all of this happened. Also thank you to everyone for acknowledging that being mixed creates a lonely and isolating experience. I can attest to this. Many people have accused me of being a certain way even though I was just doing what I am comfortable with and have been exposed to. Of course if someone is mixed in America they will have identity issues. People are so obsessed about race in this country. I find many people say of course you’ll like this you’re black or that is your culture. Half the time I have no idea what these people are going on about, and quite frankly they sound like ignorant fools referring to stereotypes like they are rules etched in stone.
The young man who committed these crimes, I feel, would have been better adjusted if he lived the rest of his days in Britain instead of moving to the U.S.. They have a category for mixed people there. He could have more freedom being himself and accepting his circumstances instead of trying to adhere to an impossibility of pleasing everyone he interacts with here. Although, I am projecting my experiences onto his own, I feel that is probably how he felt. Also has anyone considered that living in Oregon he probably heard a lot of racist stuff about black people and knowing his mother was black and that is what he knew and his upbringing that this could have led to his feelings of isolation as well. After seeing his picture and reading the article, I think most white people would view him as white (note they never said in the article that he was mixed and they are using an excuse that he was crazy). Although, I could see that he was mixed. If you don’t “look” mixed you will hear all of this crap from people about one of your parent’s group (even though the people who are saying these things have NO idea you yourself are half.)
At work recently, one of my coworkers was telling me how when she met one of our student’s father, that it shocked her because the father was Asian. Then she told me that the student doesn’t look Asian at all and that she didn’t know what to say or how to respond. The irony is that I myself have an Asian mother and this coworker has no idea that I’m mixed and part Asian. That experience in itself really made me feel crappy even though this particular student wasn’t mixed, but his father is actually his stepfather.
I also wanted to add that this is the second mass shooting by a biracial individual that I can think of. Mental health issues for mixed race people is not adequate and unhelpful for resolving feelings of depression, alienation, and identity that many mixed race people have to deal with on a daily basis.
-Sister kowaba
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@Sister Kowaba
Thank you for your words Sister.
I am black, but I have read stories from biracial people about what they go through. One of the great points that you have made is about Oregon. Oregon is very white in its population. Very few black people live in Oregon, except in Portland and in other locations. So, without question, the murderer experienced racism. He had mental health problems as well. Some biracial human beings unfortunately suffer isolation, feelings of confusion, and other issues. Additionally, biracial people suffer racism and discrimination in the midst of a white supremacist society. It’s a shame that people are readily murdered by gun violence. Likewise, there are many biracial people who understand about black consciousness and want justice for black people. I do acknowledge many biracial human beings who are standing up for black liberation as well.
Your story about the co-worker is common in America. Yes, we Americans can be obsessed with race. That is the case, because in America, we had the Maafa, the Civil War, Jim Crow, etc. So, we (who are Americans) deal with race in a more overt and personal level. Black Americans suffered a great deal of injustices and turmoil. Some people don’t know that in America, we had tons of racial riots, especially in 1919 or Red summer where tons of black people were killed by white racists. The struggling economy in America has caused more tensions in society. As you have mentioned, there should be more investments in therapy for biracial human beings who suffer depression, isolation, etc. They need to experience respect and dignity as human beings. We should be much more compassionate with each other as human beings. Likewise, we have to advance our black interests. We are not naive to see that black people should control our movement for liberation. The goal of black liberation is a goal that we will continue to fight for as well. Brothers and Sisters will continue to fight for what is right.
I appreciate your words and I wish you a very Blessed Weekend Sister Kowaba.
-By Timothy (Me)
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@ Timothy
Thank you for the response. I apologize for taking so long to write back. I’m currently working two part-time jobs and taking a graduate course.
You wrote:
“He had mental health problems as well. Some biracial human beings unfortunately suffer isolation, feelings of confusion, and other issues. Additionally, biracial people suffer racism and discrimination in the midst of a white supremacist society.”
For me, when I reframe what I observe in my own experiences, I always say that my confusion is my feelings of being rifed with internal conflict and strife due to the mismatch of my upbringing and the external messages I get from society. Because of this, I in a way have forgiven, at least myself, for the situation I’m in as I never asked to be here and am not responsible for my parents’ actions.
I’ve also realized and have come to accept, with the help of Trojan Pam and her colleagues’s books, that my parents are deeply damaged people with identity issues (in particular because both of my parents are non-white). And that my parents are selfish when I have expressed and reached out to them in the past about my feelings of loneliness, alienation, and abandonment they couldn’t even take it upon themselves to try and help me. They in no way are willing to help and will not change, so I have decided to move on with my life. They are mentally weak and don’t deserve my help or support since they have really brought a headache into my life.
I know that some people reading this may think I am being harsh toward my parents, but I truly believe that people who go into these IR relationships and produce offspring and take no responsibility to be honest with their children don’t “deserve” their children to respect them. But for me that is only one of the reasons why I’ve distance myself from them. In order for me to heal, I have to limit my contact with them because their thinking and opinions have caused a lot of problems in my life and I have unfortunately been misguided by these beliefs and opinions. I have always been a good daughter going out of my way to help them in their time of need, but they always have complained and hurt me in return. Being able to come to terms with these feelings has been the most difficult things for me to overcome because of the complexity of the situation and no resources to guide me in my healing.
Yes. Biracial people suffer from double racism. I’ve had people once they found out I was mixed make fun of me using both black and asian stereotypes. Some people when finding out I was mixed have distanced themselves or had looks of disgust, but now I’m beginning to take these things in stride and know that these are the circumstances and what I will face in society being mixed and black. This is life. And the people who mistreat for something I had no control over have displaced anger and mean nothing to me and are doing nothing for my life.
Timothy, thank you for your insights and have a good weekend!
-Sister kowaba
http://racismws.com/2015/10/13/a-follow-up-to-a-dr-frances-c-welsing-moment/
@ scottytreid
My point is not that whites will genetically annihilate African genes, it’s that they will increase the number of “white-appearing” people and decrease the number of “black-appearing” people by promoting IR sex/breeding. And that among those non-whites with a white parent, the majority will be grossly white-identified and will have little to no concern OR contact with their black brethen.
I can only speak from my own personal experience and among those in my family who fall into that category EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is grossly white identified. They do not date/marry black people. They have few to NO black friends. And more than half wish they were all white. In fact, the ONLY benefit to being black is when there is a booby prize available, like a “black” scholarship or some set aside for a “minority” and only then will they publicly acknowledge
“Okay I’m not white, I’m a minority.”
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they think they’re white but I am saying that I believe secretly that they wish they were ALL WHITE. And I don’t blame them for that because being white is EASIER than being trapped in the middle (like a Twilight Zone) where people demand you choose a “side” or where people don’t fully accept you on the black side and where white people still mistreat you on the white side. It’s one hell of a dilemma to establish a REAL identity.
to your question, am I a light-skinned black female? I am a light-brown-skinned black female who is characterized by some as “light-skinned”
I am not advocating killing anyone, let alone light-skinned black people, however, there is a historical PATTERN of so-called biracial people being USED by our white oppressors AGAINST their blacker brothers and sisters. As Dr. Chancellor Williams, a great black historian once wrote:
“The melting pot of the races began around the northern perimeter.
The end result was always the same: The Blacks were pushed to the
bottom of the social, economic and political ladder whenever the Asians
(meaning whites) and their mulatto offspring gained control.
This scheme of weakening the Blacks by turning their half-white
brothers against them cannot be overemphasized because it began in
the early times and it became the universal practice of whites, and is
still one of the cornerstones in the edifice of white power…” — Chancellor
Williams, “Destruction of Black Civilization — Chapter II: Ethiopia’s
Oldest Daughter: Egypt. pg. 61.”
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Was he advocating killing all light-skinned people? I seriously doubt it. Am I promoting it? Of course not, but there are patterns here that deserve to be studied. WHO is more likely to be grossly white identified? A black child raised by two black people? Yes, it could happen, of course, if the two black parents are white identified but at least there is a very good chance that child will be SELF-IDENTIFIED as a black person.
But who is MORE LIKELY to be white identified and totally rejecting of their black side?
A black person with two black parents?
Or a non-wnite person with a white parent?
I’m speaking of the odds not the absolutes. And in my opinion, black people having children with white people INCREASES THE ODDS that they will breed children who will be MORE white-identified, MORE “white-appearing,” and LESS LIKELY to breed with or date or marry or want to be aligned with black people in the fight against white supremacy.
And as far as I’m concerned, we have ENOUGH confusion within our ranks. We don’t need to BREED any more. That is my point.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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Long have I observed that bi-racial off-spring will cling to and support their “white origins” because society and white supremacy has taught them that if they identify as Black or another non-white group? The common denominator that non-white groups share is that they all hold no power.
“And power only respects MORE power.”
-Sister Phazex Female
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@ scottytreid
I’ll respond one point at a time.
I agree, the dominant genes can’t be wiped out.
When I speak of genetic genocide, I don’t mean wiping out the dominant genes entirely BUT the weakening and ADULTERATION of our dominant genes. Certainly, a diluted gene is not the same as it’s original form and we have no idea how much this may over time weaken our genetics, so this is not a small matter.
We can certainly see the end result with our own eyes, where any obvious trace of the black ancestors are literally being wiped out. I have this in my family where by the second generation, the APPEARANCE has drastically changed.
I’ve seen 2nd generation offspring with blond hair and blue eyes and skin fair enough to pass for white. And that 1st and 2nd generation will MOST LIKELY breed with a white person so by the next generation, they will be INDISTINGUISHABLE psychologically and physically from a white person.
The white supremacists are trying by any means possible to increase the white population numerically and I believe they care LESS about the purity of the “white person” and more about the number of white (or white-appearing) foot soldiers they will need to keep this system going.
When I say self-genocide, I’m talking abut genetic, economic, political, sexual, psychological, and spiritual destruction and we can see the effect it has had on our families (mostly negative) and our children (mostly negative via our love affair with anything that doesn’t look “too black”), and the widening gulf between black males and females (making UNITY an impossibility).
All the above represents — to me — the destruction of a people
Keep in mind the excerpt taken from my first book was written in 2009 and there are some things I would phrase differently now or leave out entirely and one of the statements I would eliminate is:
“Therefore, the black male who breeds with the white female represents: The single biggest threat to black liberation and are the biggest non-white allies of racism/white supremacy.”
I plan on omitting that statement in a revised version of the book because it is incorrect to label the black male as “the biggest threat” OR as a non-white ally of white supremacy.
The biggest threat is white supremacists — not black people.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ TheOriginalBlackWoman13
Funny you should mention that, I have had that conversation many times before how it SEEMS the non-white males with a black parent and a white parent usually seem to marry/date white. They might date another person like themselves (with a white parent) but almost never date or marry black females
Also, consider Tiger Woods who has an Asian mother and a black father who –to my knowledge–has never dated an Asian female but only dates/marries white females
So-called bi-racial males, particularly those with white fathers, seem to be the most troubled out of all the combinations — in my experience — and IF they marry (and many do not) they are frantic to breed that blackness out of them.
I think having a white father is particularly troublesome because a white male CANNOT teach a black male how to function as a black male. The WM however, could give him some invaluable information about HOW white people function but I seriously doubt that ever happens
Like Dr. Welsing once said whenever she asked a white person to tell her what white people say when there are no black people are in the room, not one white person has ever answered her question.
And I have never had a bi-racial person say that their white parent told them anything about how white people function in regard to non-white people and in fact, I’ve had some say their white parent won’t discuss racism (!)
to me that is the CLEAREST POSSIBLE EVIDENCE that the white parent of a non-white child is MORE concerned with protecting the system of white supremacy AND the secrets of other white people than they are with the welfare of their non-white child — or that non-white partner they sleep with. (Red flag).
That alone, should be enough reason to stay out of their beds, especially the matrimonial kind.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@Timothy
Thanks for your comments on colorism. As you stated “no grown black man should hate the racial identity of the black mother who gave him birth.” However, unless the parents start ingraining the black formula of beauty into the psyche of black male (and female) children at an early age, they will always seek the one taught them by the white media. You are correct also that “the system of white supremacy is not omnipotent. White racists are not divine.” White supremacy is a flawed, man-made system and can be defeated. However, we need to learn to out-think them. I also believe that with God’s help we can achieve this, but we as a people need to collectively do our part as well, and I believe God will do the rest.
Have a great weekend.
-Sister Sharon53
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@Courtney H.
I have to agree with your statement “It helps to channel hurtful and angry feelings into sharing your experiences with like-minded people who listen and give advice.” I found out about these blogs on another website about 5 years ago and have been following them since that time. I have learned so much that have helped me to understand what is going on around me concerning the state of blacks in America and around the world. Even though things have been getting worse and worse for blacks since integration took full swing, for some reason, back around 2010, it seemed like the heat really began to turn up on us and it appeared like I was the only one that could see that something was getting out of control. I felt like I was helplessly standing on the side of a track watching others about to get run over by a train and could not do anything. So I did a search on the Internet to see what Minister Farrakhan had to say about things and stumbled across these blogs. I have noticed that a few more people are coming onto the blogs and beginning to see what we are seeing out here. Just the other day, I even heard a female family member use the word ‘white supremacy’ and I almost fell out of my seat because that is unheard of by females in my family. I said to myself, at least it is a start. What I believe is beginning to happen is the “ripple effect”, which I hope will continue. I hope it is not just another ‘catch phrase’ or fad such as ‘black is beautiful’ and ‘black and I’m proud’ that so many of us used back in the day and did not really mean it.
-Sister Sharon53
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Courtney H. says:
October 15, 2015 at 6:45 pm
@ Sister Neketa:
I watched most of the first two videos. I agree — the first one contained some sickening content. As Brother Timothy said, white supremacy and moral degeneracy are linked.
Thank you for watching the videos and commenting. I was touched by your comments about your children.
I have been coming to this blog for about two or three years now, and I have learned a lot. It helps to channel hurtful and angry feelings into sharing your experiences with like-minded people who listen and give advice.
Thank you for joining us, Neketa! Welcome! :D
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@Shanequa
I don’t believe white women truly love black men nor their biracial children. People marry and have children for all kinds of reason and they are not necessarily out of love. This may seem harsh but I think it is mostly about saving the white race and reducing the black population. Those people are so narcissistic that they probably think that black men and biracial children are an entitlement to them.
-Sister Sharon
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@ Providence
Right, to maintain this system you must maintain a certain level of foot soldiers and advocates by any means necessary. This is not a new dilemma. After slavery, the white supremacists had to increase the number of “white” people to keep black people under control (meaning to limit our progress, hence the inclusion of “honorary whites” like Irish, Italians, Greeks, etc and now more recently, encouraging Hispanics to classify themselves as ‘White Hispanics”
Check out this link to a NY Times article in 1910 about “The Union of Black Mothers and White Fathers Will Bring About Negro Elimination”
It’s obvious the white supremacists do not believe IR sex will eliminate whites — they believe just the reverse.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/ny-times-article-1910-elimination-of-the-negro-the-black-woman-white-man-genocide.271711/
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@TrojanPam
You said, “The male of every community is the LYNCHPIN of that community but unfortunately, is often also the weakest link and the easiest to bend and ultimately break.”
This is something that I find quite puzzling. Many Black Men/Boys sooo easily fall for the white beauty standard myth and the white (or non-black) woman as the superior womanhood whereas Black Women have stated for years (and publicly) It’s a Black Man or No Man. But….I think if things keep going the way its going now between the collective Black Male/Female Relationship we will see a shift in this attitude amongst Black Women; it’s already started.
Many Black Women have asked and are asking, “Although Black Men and Women have gone through the same psychological trauma and have had white supremacist programming shoved down our throats for the last 500 years how come the Black Woman Collective (save for a minority) still desire the Black Man (especially the dark skinned Black Man) as a mate, husband, mate and father of our children, yet IT SEEMS that Black Men (not all, just too many) tend to want a woman as close to white as possible as his mate, wife, and mother of his children? Have Black Men become sooo weakened by the SOR? Are Black Women psychologically stronger than Black Men?
This is a conundrum to many sistas!
-TheOriginalBlackWoman13
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neketa0824 says:
October 12, 2015 at 8:18 pm
I’ve recently come across this blog and find it has an abundance of true food for thought; to the creator of this blog, I thank you for creating a space where we Black people can have true, constructive discussion about issues which truly matter. That being said, I have a question to pose to you as well as others who might subscribe to your blog and might have insight into my ‘dilemma’. There is truly a missing piece of the puzzle I do not think I’m getting, and so a lot of what I try to implement seems to be for naught.
Now, at this point in my life, I see what we call ‘life’ – this experience we have upon this prison planet/Matrix, as a setup under which we are all here to get authentic spiritual growth. That, obviously, is going to come with a certain amount of challenges. After all, we can’t build muscle without resistance.
Under the same logic, I believe we all incarnate here for certain experiences and to get those, we must decide to take the bodies of a certain individual – someone who is born to a particular set of parents in particular circumstances within a particular demographic and geographic location…you get the picture.
Thus, this tells me that, in a previous life, I could have inhabited the visage of the very people who are trying to hurt me now in this new life where I don the body of a Black American woman. It also tells me, when I die this time around, should I decide to come here again, I may take on another visage to push my soul even more. The goal (presumably) is spiritual growth.
At a time, before learning this, I thought dying was the worse thing which could happen to a person. Now I see it is not. It is the one thing we can all depend on and, thus, death, no matter what the vehicle which brings it to us, brings a relief of sorts. I say that because I had to accept that FIRST before I could start putting anything else into perspective. Until I put that fear to rest, I could not really ‘see’ what seems to be happening. Being stuck solely in survival mode prevented me from taking a step back to 1) determine exactly what life is, 2) what the purpose of it is and 3) what I’m truly supposed to be doing. As Mr. Neely Fuller said it quite simply, though, we are here to act consciously and constructively, to learn how to solve problems (aka helping the Spirit grow).
So, all this being said, I’m trying to figure out what is the true ‘fear’ behind genetic annihilation – on our part as Black people and that from ‘White people’. If the bodies we inhabit are temporal and we are all literally just players on a stage, all here to push through limitations and experiences ourselves as Spirit in different forms in a material form until we release our corporeal bodies and dissolve back into Ether, then what is the real ‘fear’ of what is happening here, or what is it we are truly trying to stop? If it is Spirit which animates the bodies we operate, how can there be a true distinction between physical bodies which have melanin and those which do not? How can there be a fear from us as black people of being killed off we aren’t our bodies anyway? On the same token, how can White people be afraid of being killed off when, again, our physical lives are temporary anyway and, thus, cannot be preserved? These are questions I’ve asked myself over and over again.
The more I ask myself this question, I am brought back to the original fear I had of dying. For the life of me, I can’t understand why a group like White supremacists would invest the amount of energy and time in detesting our people as they do, to the point they have created an entire Global system to keep us all imprisoned, Blacks in particular.
When my mind gets totally clear, though, there is only one thought which comes in, consistently. It is not one I ‘feel’ comfortable with, honestly, but, by following the logic (as Mr. Neely Fuller would say) – my logic, at least – the only thing I can come up with is that ‘those’ who have created the system of White supremacy are not truly human beings, or should I say, the Spirit which animates us as human beings (no matter how crazy we may act when we are out of balance here on Earth) may not be the same Force which is animating them. It also makes me think that the true difference between White people and White Supremacists is, again, the latter group is not truly human, in that they are totally incapable of reform, compassion or accountability.
Thus, whatever it is we claim to be fighting for (preservation of our melanated physical race) is actually a war for something else.
Of course, I could be wrong about this.
Forgive me if this isn’t the correct blog to ask such a question but has anyone else contemplated this question in detail as well, from a spiritual perspective? I truly am trying to figure out that last piece of the puzzle. For as much sense as Dr. Welsing has always made, I still always have a final ‘why’ – why a group of ‘people’ whose individuals will eventually die, just like we all will someday, are so hellbent on maintaining, seemingly, an unending reign of temporal power over this particular planet in general? To me, this doesn’t feel like the way of Spirit…
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I’m with you a thousand percent, PAM. My comment wasn’t a response to you.
As for the stuff of genetics- if you all remember – LBM has long been questioning the hueman-ness of beings classified as white. So I’m one person who does not have to be convinced that we may very well have prolonged the existence and given human DNA to a creature that wasn’t fully human. Now here we are debating whether Africans mating with Africans reproduce US as the strongest HUMAN – or the human we would want to reproduce.
I also agree with the parenting issue. My children’s parents were married before they were conceived and continue to be married. I know many black fathers who were and are on the scene for their children. I still maintain that there is indeed a problem of absent fathers in our “communities”. Funny thing is- when comes to blaming the community’s woes on someone, many black males point to the raising of the children by black women. Then want to turn around and say “deadbeats” are minimal.
We must understand how comprehensive this verb of white domination is. It’s coming from ALL directions and my only concern is when we don’t see something as part of the attack – as a problem – we won’t address it as such…..We’re seeing this right here as it pertains to sexing with whites – folks failing to see the danger of saying any manner of female can produce a black child.
-Sister LBM
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@ LBM
Interesting comment. Have we prolonged their existence by infusing them with our human DNA? I do believe there are variations of appearance AND mentality based on how much AFRICAN (for lack of a better word) DNA is in their genes. I believe our DNA does humanize and those with less and who are closer in genetics to the Neanderthal may exhibit more beastly mental and physical characteristics.
And for those who think this is pure speculation, European scientists have CONFIRMED the European is a HYBRID between MAN and Neanderthal.
Who is MAN? (the black man and woman).
If you do a search on youtube for the National Geographic program about Neanderthals, you will hear and see with your own eyes and ears. If you can’t find the link, let me know and I’ll try to find it in my records
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@Sharon53
Thank you for sharing this article.
@Sharon53, Courtney H, and Timothy
It’s tragic that all of this happened. Also thank you to everyone for acknowledging that being mixed creates a lonely and isolating experience. I can attest to this. Many people have accused me of being a certain way even though I was just doing what I am comfortable with and have been exposed to. Of course if someone is mixed in America they will have identity issues. People are so obsessed about race in this country. I find many people say of course you’ll like this you’re black or that is your culture. Half the time I have no idea what these people are going on about, and quite frankly they sound like ignorant fools referring to stereotypes like they are rules etched in stone.
The young man who committed these crimes, I feel, would have been better adjusted if he lived the rest of his days in Britain instead of moving to the U.S.. They have a category for mixed people there. He could have more freedom being himself and accepting his circumstances instead of trying to adhere to an impossibility of pleasing everyone he interacts with here. Although, I am projecting my experiences onto his own, I feel that is probably how he felt. Also has anyone considered that living in Oregon he probably heard a lot of racist stuff about black people and knowing his mother was black and that is what he knew and his upbringing that this could have led to his feelings of isolation as well. After seeing his picture and reading the article, I think most white people would view him as white (note they never said in the article that he was mixed and they are using an excuse that he was crazy). Although, I could see that he was mixed. If you don’t “look” mixed you will hear all of this crap from people about one of your parent’s group (even though the people who are saying these things have NO idea you yourself are half.)
At work recently, one of my coworkers was telling me how when she met one of our student’s father, that it shocked her because the father was Asian. Then she told me that the student doesn’t look Asian at all and that she didn’t know what to say or how to respond. The irony is that I myself have an Asian mother and this coworker has no idea that I’m mixed and part Asian. That experience in itself really made me feel crappy even though this particular student wasn’t mixed, but his father is actually his stepfather.
I also wanted to add that this is the second mass shooting by a biracial individual that I can think of. Mental health issues for mixed race people is not adequate and unhelpful for resolving feelings of depression, alienation, and identity that many mixed race people have to deal with on a daily basis.
-Sister kowaba
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@Sister Kowaba
Thank you for your words Sister.
I am black, but I have read stories from biracial people about what they go through. One of the great points that you have made is about Oregon. Oregon is very white in its population. Very few black people live in Oregon, except in Portland and in other locations. So, without question, the murderer experienced racism. He had mental health problems as well. Some biracial human beings unfortunately suffer isolation, feelings of confusion, and other issues. Additionally, biracial people suffer racism and discrimination in the midst of a white supremacist society. It’s a shame that people are readily murdered by gun violence. Likewise, there are many biracial people who understand about black consciousness and want justice for black people. I do acknowledge many biracial human beings who are standing up for black liberation as well.
Your story about the co-worker is common in America. Yes, we Americans can be obsessed with race. That is the case, because in America, we had the Maafa, the Civil War, Jim Crow, etc. So, we (who are Americans) deal with race in a more overt and personal level. Black Americans suffered a great deal of injustices and turmoil. Some people don’t know that in America, we had tons of racial riots, especially in 1919 or Red summer where tons of black people were killed by white racists. The struggling economy in America has caused more tensions in society. As you have mentioned, there should be more investments in therapy for biracial human beings who suffer depression, isolation, etc. They need to experience respect and dignity as human beings. We should be much more compassionate with each other as human beings. Likewise, we have to advance our black interests. We are not naive to see that black people should control our movement for liberation. The goal of black liberation is a goal that we will continue to fight for as well. Brothers and Sisters will continue to fight for what is right.
I appreciate your words and I wish you a very Blessed Weekend Sister Kowaba.
-By Timothy (Me)
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@ Timothy
Thank you for the response. I apologize for taking so long to write back. I’m currently working two part-time jobs and taking a graduate course.
You wrote:
“He had mental health problems as well. Some biracial human beings unfortunately suffer isolation, feelings of confusion, and other issues. Additionally, biracial people suffer racism and discrimination in the midst of a white supremacist society.”
For me, when I reframe what I observe in my own experiences, I always say that my confusion is my feelings of being rifed with internal conflict and strife due to the mismatch of my upbringing and the external messages I get from society. Because of this, I in a way have forgiven, at least myself, for the situation I’m in as I never asked to be here and am not responsible for my parents’ actions.
I’ve also realized and have come to accept, with the help of Trojan Pam and her colleagues’s books, that my parents are deeply damaged people with identity issues (in particular because both of my parents are non-white). And that my parents are selfish when I have expressed and reached out to them in the past about my feelings of loneliness, alienation, and abandonment they couldn’t even take it upon themselves to try and help me. They in no way are willing to help and will not change, so I have decided to move on with my life. They are mentally weak and don’t deserve my help or support since they have really brought a headache into my life.
I know that some people reading this may think I am being harsh toward my parents, but I truly believe that people who go into these IR relationships and produce offspring and take no responsibility to be honest with their children don’t “deserve” their children to respect them. But for me that is only one of the reasons why I’ve distance myself from them. In order for me to heal, I have to limit my contact with them because their thinking and opinions have caused a lot of problems in my life and I have unfortunately been misguided by these beliefs and opinions. I have always been a good daughter going out of my way to help them in their time of need, but they always have complained and hurt me in return. Being able to come to terms with these feelings has been the most difficult things for me to overcome because of the complexity of the situation and no resources to guide me in my healing.
Yes. Biracial people suffer from double racism. I’ve had people once they found out I was mixed make fun of me using both black and asian stereotypes. Some people when finding out I was mixed have distanced themselves or had looks of disgust, but now I’m beginning to take these things in stride and know that these are the circumstances and what I will face in society being mixed and black. This is life. And the people who mistreat for something I had no control over have displaced anger and mean nothing to me and are doing nothing for my life.
Timothy, thank you for your insights and have a good weekend!
-Sister kowaba
Monday, October 5, 2015
Can Oppressed Males SEX Their Way to Freedom?
http://racismws.com/2015/10/02/can-oppressed-males-sex-their-way-to-freedom/
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Miss Pam:
Have you ever considered the raw, hurtful but truthful fact that these Coloured males simply do not wish to have melanin-rich offspring? By having whiter children, they are validated in ways that even they cannot describe.This is a very painful thing that many of us don’t wish to accept. Self hatred is a powerful disease that almost effectively kills its victims (self genocide).
Have we, as black women, ever considered the raw, hurtful but truthful fact that these “conquered males” ENJOY sexing and breeding with white females and have ZERO intention of stopping despite overwhelming evidence that this is hurting them and us? I’ve heard many black men say that white women “feel better” in bed, are more willing and “adventurous” , make “no demands to get serious” and are not “bound by their Christian Fundamentalist upbringing.”
Biology plays a large role in this as well.
A child doesn’t come from a man, she/ he comes from a woman. Therefore, it’s the woman’s conscious choice as to who she breeds with. A man’s role, to be overly simplistic, is to plant his seed. He may mate with ever he chooses because the child is not from his womb.
Many reading this will become quite upset with me for saying these TRUTHFUL things but so be it.
We already have a group of blacks in Africa called Coloureds who are OPPRESSED just like their blacker brethren so we know for a fact that interbreeding DOES NOT WORK. We also know that Colourism has ravaged the black/brown/red/yellow communities all across the world.
So why do we keep having this discussion?
Why is this still an issue?
Because some black/brown/yellow/red males CHOOSE and ENJOY breeding with white females. They like it intensely for the one thing that their own women cannot give them:
WHITE VALIDATION
The raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless is just a bonus.
-DiaryofaNegress
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This was a great comment. However I would only take issue with the idea that the “Coloureds” are oppressed “just like” the Africans in South Africa. They may not have the same privileges as whites, but they are indeed used for many purposes in South Africa which benefit them as Coloureds, one being to promote the “multicultural” meme of “post-apartheid” south Africa, and another is to occupy official government positions in order to execute domination over African people there. I know this is not a popular viewpoint on this blog, but I think it needs to be stated anyway.
Next, I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that some African males are committed to and indeed “love” sexing non-African females as a sort-of raison d’etre. However, I sincerely think that many Black people have committed ourselves too much to living our life in these western colonial states, (e,g, the USA) which puts us on on the front-lines of witnessing the destruction of our people. I am not saying that “white supremacy” is not global, nor suggesting that simply moving to another country will solve our problems, but I am saying that the tactic of “fighting it from within” is not a viable strategy either. We who truly want to fight it must look to sources outside of the geopolitical “west” and participate in developing alternative systems of power in order to develop a different option for the youth. I don’t see this strategy being utilized at the present time (at least to the degree that would counter this IR trend). And even us who are more aware are still in the stage of simply complaining and trying to “educate” the masses of people, most of whom are hopelessly mentacidal and beyond salvation–some of my present family members included.
-Lumumba
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@ Lumumba Afrika
who said:
“However I would only take issue with the idea that the “Coloureds” are oppressed “just like” the Africans in South Africa. They may not have the same privileges as whites, but they are indeed used for many purposes in South Africa which benefit them as Coloureds, one being to promote the “multicultural” meme of “post-apartheid” south Africa, and another is to occupy official government positions in order to execute domination over African people there. I know this is not a popular viewpoint on this blog, but I think it needs to be stated anyway.”
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I wholeheartedly agree.
“Coloureds” (bi-racial) people have always been used by whites against their darker brethen.
Just as they’re being used today. Yes, they are victims but not to the degree that darker skinned blacks without a white parent are.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ diaryofanegress
You raise many valid points. White validation is the KEY, a desperate need that logic cannot overrule.
You asked, why do we keep having this discussion? I harbor NO illusions that I can change the world or even the minds of most of the people who come to my blog.
BUT — if I plant one tiny seed in one mind that is searching for an answer then I have done my job.
The second reason is I do it for my OWN benefit– to keep from sliding down that slippery slope or accepting my own alleged “inferiority” as a black female.
I can’t help but agree — after many, many years of acutely painful observation that you’re right — that — as you said;
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“…some black/brown/yellow/red males CHOOSE and ENJOY breeding with white females. They like it intensely for the one thing that their own women cannot give them: WHITE VALIDATION. The raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless is just a bonus.”
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What is most painful to me is the INVALIDATION of so many precious, young (and not so young) black females who have been made to feel we don’t “measure up” to the white female
That is the 3rd reason I wrote this post. To let them know that this is not THEIR problem or just a “black” problem but a sickness that afflicts EVERY non-white group that comes into contact with white supremacy
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@Diaryofanegress
I am not surprised at your comments and as hurtful as the comments may be for some, a person can actually be set free by the comments. You stated that “because some black/brown/yellow/red males CHOOSE and ENJOY breeding with white females; they like it intensely for the one thing that their own WOMEN cannot give them: White Validation. The raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless is just a bonus. ”
The sad part is the only thing the black/brown/yellow/red males get in the end is the “the raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless.’ Try as they might but they never have and never will get white validation. Some may have a few more privileges than others but tokens are still nothing but victims. They only get the ‘illusion of inclusion’ as some say.
-Sharon53
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@ Providence
While I understand your angst and disappointment, we must be careful NOT to lump all black males into one pot.
Keep in mind that the biggest DEADBEAT DADS on the planet are the white males who impregnated/raped black females for over 400 years. And that recently, the biggest deadbeat dad in America was a white male with a decent income.
What many black females who have been married to or been impregnated by white males AND who falsely believed that the white male always “takes care of his own” — they have discovered that he is MORE LIKELY to abandon his offspring with a black female than with a white female.
In addition, a recent study found that black males actually SPEND MORE TIME with their children than the men of any other ethnic group. (I’ll try to find that link)
Bottom line, MOST black males do not date or marry white females. Single mothers come in all colors. Women of all ethnicities have the same or similar complaints about the men in their group. Everything that afflicts black relationships is NOT always a “skin color” issue.
So while I stand guilty of spouting off stereotypes about the opposite sex due to my own personal frustrations, I KNOW that black males come in as many flavors as black females do.
None of us are what we should. We are ALL victims of white supremacy.
The real question in my mind is HOW can we be honest with each other without tearing each other down so we can HEAL our trauma? Because if we don’t find a way to do this — to heal from the centuries of damage that has been done to us — we are not going to make it AND our children will perish.
Maybe, it’s time for ALL to set (or try to) set our FRAGILE EGOS aside and TELL THE TRUTH about our relationships
both male AND female
-Trojan Pam
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Trojan Pam says:
October 4, 2015 at 7:08 pm
@ TheOriginalBlackWoman13
I totally understand their frustrations HOWEVER, what they advocate is NOT a solution for the masses of black females. We bear boy children. What then will be our attitude toward them? Will they be as disposable as the black male adult population?
And let’s be clear. A lot of us are raising boys TO BE disrespectful toward other black females. I have seen this many times. Calling young black girls all kinds of names when they come around our homes. “Don’t bring that h_ back over here!”
The way many (not all) black females treat each other is appalling and yes, I understand it is a reaction to white supremacy
BUT
when will we own our own S (stuff)? When will we turn that critical mirror on ourselves?
What are WE teaching our sons as we parade around with our female lovers, OR those of us who openly exhibit (and sometimes brag about our) cunning and conniving and dishonest ways, or condemning all black males within their earshot?
“black men ain’t shit and neither is your daddy, the worthless bastard.”
What about the language we use regarding other black females? “I can’t stand that (fill in the blank):”
B_
H_
SL_
TR_
or T_(That H_ Over There)
And yes, so-called “conscious” black females are often not all that embracing OR accepting of other black females. I have discovered that personally.
Years ago, I had a black female send me an email asking me to do a internet program as a guest. She addressed the email to me as “Brother:”
However, when I responded and let her know I was a black female, the invitation was withdrawn. And most black females with an internet program have NEVER invited me on as a guest.
BUT whenever I bring up the issues of black females, I get “silence.”
That says a lot about both black males AND black females always pointing fingers
at someone else — never back AT SELF
I say all that to say that ANY SOLUTION that does NOT embrace the whole of us — black male AND black female — is DOOMED.
if anyone disagrees with this, please show me an EXAMPLE of any other ethnic group that has gained stability and power without the male and female of THAT GROUP working together? Please, just ONE example
Look at racist man and racist woman, the most powerful duo on the planet. Yes, they have their battles and issues and mutual dislike (even hatreds) but when it comes to outsiders (all non-white people), they COME TOGETHER TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM OF WHITE SUPREMACY
Yet, we’re talking about not needing each other and being with our oppressors as a solution? I wholeheartedly disagree with that.
But, something MUST change and the change must start from WITHIN
every black male and black female reading this needs to worry MORE about changing themselves– ourselves– than with changing someone else
because I guarantee you there is PLENTY OF WORK TO DO without needing to step outside our doors.
this false belief on both our parts that we don’t need each other COMBINED will be the main reason it will be so easy to slaughter us in the future
OUR DISUNITY.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Mr. Mitchell
Since your post is long, I’m going to address it one point at a time:
You said, “Bear in mind that the most successful black men were the least popular black boys (while in school). Because these black boys possessed zero “swag,” the black girls that these black boys desired (yes, black boys are VERY MUCH(!) attracted to black girls) ignored them and showered the bad boys (who eventually grow up to not be successful) with their attention and affection.”
Mr. Mitchell, I hear what you’re saying and let me add:
1) I don’t know if that’s true. Is “bad” someone who is better-looking than average? Because when I was in school, the fine boys were the most popular and they weren’t all bad. In fact, being fine often made them more callous because they got away with more stuff. The same with very pretty girls. This is just human nature. Also, all “bad boys” do not grow up to be losers. Some do quite well—once they grow up.
And what defines a typical bad boy? Is it someone rebellious? A criminal? A gang banger? What? Because the bad boys in my high school weren’t any of that, but just someone who liked being rebellious. We must be careful not to take the easy way out with gross stereotypes that really don’t reflect reality
2) Every group has a standard for attractiveness. Yes, girls like boys who are “cool” or have “swag” but they like good-looking boys even more. The high school jock or the handsome rich bad boy is a common theme in white movies about white female teenage angst. This has nothing to do with skin color.
This is BIOLOGY and the way girls (and women) are HARD-WIRED to be attracted to the most ALPHA (dominant) male. Look at the white male movie stars—the vast majority are BAD BOYS. Al Pacino, Andy Garcia, the Godfather, Tony Soprano, James Bond, killers and gangsters and Clint Eastwood, James Cagney, etc. ALL played bad boys and all were considered white male SEX SYMBOLS by white females.
3) Uncool (and not so attractive girls) go through the SAME thing because they’re not cool enough, popular enough, pretty enough, or fly enough or even “loose” enough. So, this dynamic is NOT restricted by sex or ethnicity
4) The dynamic you describe occurs among ALL GROUPS. White males go through the same thing. White and Asian “ne_s” who weren’t popular often become the Bill Gates of the business world but some ne__ just stay ne__ . Some unpopular boys were unpopular for a variety of reasons. I knew unpopular boys who had poor hygiene or just weren’t attractive to girls by the prevailing standard of attractiveness. Some unpopular boys become successful, some don’t.
HOWEVER,
MOST (mature) people DO NOT use their HIGH SCHOOL EXPERIENCES as the template OR a reason to reject ALL opposite sex members of their own group. Bill Gates was rejected as a n_ _ in high school but he STILL married a white female. He doesn’t spend hours of time with magazine interviewers explaining how damaged he was by white females because he was “unpopular” because he doesn’t want to sound like a fool (let’s be real, it is a foolish reason).
I wore thick glasses for the first two years of high school and I was kinda cute but definitely not the kind of girl boys chased up and down the hall.
SO WHAT?
That was high school. Everyone can’t be popular. I wasn’t popular outside my little group but I survived it. Most people do.
I’ve heard Dennis Rodman justify many times the reason he only dates white females — “Because black girls didn’t like me in high school.”
This is a seriously flawed (and transparent) rationalization since I doubt the white girls he encountered were breaking his door down for dates
BEFORE HE BECAME the rich and famous Dennis Rodman.
And what about the black girls he didn’t like because they were too dark or too short or too tall or too skinny or too fat or whose hair wasn’t long enough or their skin light enough or their noses and lips not thin enough? Does he (and those who use those excuses) blame himself for their “emotional trauma?”
I doubt it.
If a Dennis Rodman wants to date white females exclusively OWN IT and stop blaming ALL black females for his BEHAVIOR. Most of us don’t care. I know I don’t.
Given the HUGE number of white females that pursue and catch rich/famous black males and take ALL their money, it is amazing to me that the white female is still seen as “sincere” but the black female (who is seldom the recipient of the black male’s wealth) is not. I find that most amazing which goes to show that these males are ignoring truth and trying to justify decisions that they know DEEP DOWN are seriously FLAWED.
And it greatly explains why most “rich” black males leave NOTHING behind for the black generations that follow them. That is something they need to think about.
The second part of my post:
You said:
“Here’s what I suggest: 1. Black girls should be taught that their affection/attention should go to the least popular black boys. Black girls, have patience. Those black boys will grow into their confidence and natural male dominance…think long-term.”
Mr. Mitchell, no disrespect, but this is totally unrealistic. If you’ve ever raised a teenaged girl or boy you know you cannot dictate who they like. In fact, the more you try to push a “type” the more likely they are to reject it and will think the opposite much more appealing…
However, I think the parents (father and mother) MUST lead by example by the types of people they surround themselves with and the language they use about other black people and how they treat and respect OR disrespect other black people. Those are very important lessons as well.
And whose to say WHY a boy is unpopular? Look at all the “unpopular boys” who have committed mass murders in school settings? Being unpopular is not conclusive proof that a boy or a girl are superior. Some people are popular because they’re bright, intelligent and personable or good dancers or they’re friendly or generous. I don’t know what schools you attended but where I come from NOTHING is that cut and dry.
Bottom line, everyone cannot be popular. It is NOT a death sentence and sometimes is a wake-up call that one’s appearance or behavior needs sprucing up…
You said:
“2. To compliment suggestion #1, black boys should be taught to focus on education (to develop their intellect) and to get involved in physically demanding sports (to develop their confidence and physical strength–this should help attract the black girls).”
I agree that black boys (and girls) should be focused on developing intellect but not for the purpose of being “popular.” In fact, I personally believe boys and girls should be in SEPARATE SCHOOLS until they reach college age – and should only come together during CHAPERONED SCHOOL & SOCIAL FUNCTIONS so they will know how to respectfully interact with each other.
School should not be a place where boys learn to be “popular” but should be a place where they are developed into INTELLECTUAL WARRIORS.
You said:
“3. Limit or completely eliminate any form of entertainment that promotes subversion of black male/black female relations from the lives of black boys and black girls. This blog has advocated that many times over. Degrading rap, tv shows, and movies should all be banished.”
I TOTALLY agree.
You said:
“4. I strongly oppose the philosophy of teaching black girls that “they need no man!” When black boys hear this being taught to black girls, they will–momentarily–feel useless and undesired. “If you ‘don’t need no man,’ I will chase women who ‘need’ me and who have ‘use’ for me–white women.”
I do agree that the language of black females (due to fear and frustration and a desire to appear powerful) is a self-defeating language.
Keep in mind that it is much easier on the heart and ego to CLAIM you don’t need something or someone that you’re afraid you can’t get. I do like your last two suggestions and would love to see mothers AND fathers take you up on your advice.
You said:
“Finally, black women who choose to date their conquerors (white men) strengthen the system of white supremacy and became the enemies of those who strive to dismantle the system.”
I agree.
(FYI — I do appreciate your courageous contributions since I suspect you might believe you will be attacked for posting them :-))
-Sister Trojan Pam.
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I have to disagree. What I see is fear that comes from living under a white supremacy system where to tell the truth AS A BLACK PERSON can mean the loss of everything, including our lives.
I will never condemn black people for the damage 500 years of white oppression has created.
Speaking of lacking a backbone, the entire nation lacks a backbone, including the white collective.
What does it say when one percent of a population controls over 300 million people, the majority of them white, taking their jobs and homes and land and pensions and water and clean food and air?
There isn’t a single group in this nation that can point fingers at black people. NOT A ONE. And I suggest to all the black people reading this that we need to keep the ONUS for the crimes against us on the ones who created the problem and the black cronies and puppets who are used against us
the white supremacists
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Kushite Prince
The entire system is so co-opted and corrupt that there is no more independent media. I think that’s the reason there is no real talk about racism. All the news and entertainment companies are OWNED and controlled by a handful of white supremacists. All entertainers and politicians are OWNED by the same handful of white supremacists
Which means ALL the black people who get a mike and air time are CO-OPTED and are in SERVICE to the white supremacy system. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Including President Obama.
Otherwise, you wouldn’t hear or see them and they would never be given any powerful appearing positions in politics or universities or news organizations.
Try to imagine Dr. Welsing or Mr. Fuller being interviewed or given a program on CNN.
You can’t, can you?
This is why I say over and over and over and over and over and over again
ANY TIME A BLACK PERSON GETS A MIKE AND AIR TIME ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA BE IT A POLITICIAN, A PUNDIT, A PREACHER, AN EDUCATOR, OR AN ENTERTAINER, they are being used to do one of two things
1. Promote white supremacy
2. promote black inferiority
that’s why so many black people are on TV blaming other black people or arguing with other black people or portraying other black people as clowns, buffoons, and criminals, or blaming poor black people (like Bill Cosby used to)
They are nothing more than stage players and two-bit actors in a scripted play
And their loyalty is NOT to their own people OR even themselves. And while as tempting as it is I try not to refer to them as “sellouts” (even though privately that’s exactly how I think of them) the TRUTH is they are bought and paid for. However, they are not the real problem. They are merely stage actors. They didn’t write the play or finance it. The real focus has to be on the white supremacists who orchestrated the entire spectacle
However, what I do is I IMMEDIATELY disregard ANY and ALL things coming out of their mouths about racism, be they black or white, when it is broadcast or printed in mainstream media
the system has no more time to waste playing with us. The gloves have come off and they’re going in on us BUT they need us to stay hooked into the lies, hence the phony black leaders and phony black progress and the promoting of interracial sex
What they fear MOST about black people is our UNIFICATION AND EMANCIPATION
as long as they keep us locked into the fantasy world of movies and TV and false progress and false leaders and false religions and interracial sex they can rest assured that we are SOUND ASLEEP and when they move against us
we will fold like cheap suits.
-Trojan Pam
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@ all
I think it’s VERY significant that more than 25 years later that Sistah Souljah’s words are STILL RELEVANT in spite of “black progress’ and a “first black president.”
The most important message in this message is we must FIRST understand the real problem — the system of racism/white supremacy — before we can solve our problems. ”
The FACT is we do NOT understand this system or we would have seen through the masquerade of another “first black” and the other high profile blacks who are used to deceive us about racism.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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The link below is more evidence that racism is on the rise as the economy and white frustration and fears increase.
The rash of Hollywood’s revisionist movies showing black people submitting to white oppression — the Butler, the Help, Django Unchained, 12 Years a Slave, King, Lincoln, the Purge, Planet of the Apes, and now they’re talking about remaking Roots (???)
All these images should be a sign of WHERE we are headed not accurate depictions of our history or simply “entertainment.”
There will be MORE racist aggression against black people in the coming future, not just by police but average white people who are seeking scapegoats for their anger and fear.
We MUST BE more vigilant and more aware of where we go, who we go with, and we must tell our children THE TRUTH about racism instead of letting them believe (and pretend) that “things are different now.”
A friend of mine just informed me today that his girlfriend’s son — who was raised around nothing but whites and dates nothing but white girls — is planning to attend a biker’s event out of state where there will be few blacks and a lot of white biker gangs. More than likely, if he brings a female friend (I hope not), she will be white.
This is what I mean by NOT TELLING OUR CHILDREN THE TRUTH ABOUT RACISM and NOT teaching them how to navigate the white world. This young black male (in his 20s) has NO understanding of the potential danger of being in an environment where white male gangs will be drinking and drugging heavily. Despite him just losing a job because he was being targeted by his white coworkers, he is still convinced that “things are different, racism isn’t as bad as it used to be.”
It is NOT his fault. He was never TAUGHT anything about racism — which is the case for the majority of black children. Yet, Jews don’t hesitate to tell their children about people who hate the Jews. It is time we do the same.
http://yourblackworld.net/2015/09/03/fking-n-black-family-allegedly-terrorized-by-campers/
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Kushite Prince & Timothy
I agree with both of you brothers, 2015 was the start of the “NEW BLACKS” coming out. I can just imagine how the year 2016 will be the “NEW BLACKS” coming as one to fight against BLACK AFRICANS by blaming them for our condition.
-Sister Shanequa
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@ reality_check
Slaves did fight back during slavery. Black men died fighting to protect their women and children. Black women would kill their infant children to spare them a life of slavery. Slaves used to poison their owners and kill them in their sleep. Slaves would torch fields and poison livestock. Many slave owners lived in fear for their lives. There were HUNDREDS of slave revolts in the U.S.
The problem is most of us only know that part of our history from what white supremacist TV and movies have shown us.
I give some details in my 2nd book, “Black Love is a Revolutionary Act” but you can google and find many, many articles about slave revolts. I suggest you do this asap. We have to UNLEARN the lies we were taught about ourselves to be able to move forward.
Like that saying goes: “Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it”
and we can see this dynamic playing out big time today. Black people today are at our most passive and docile state possible. Many of us are so anti-black that we actually think and sound like white racists. Many of us are so busy trying to pacify and assimilate and be sexually involved with white people that some have clearly gone insane.
I don’t know what we will do when the S really hits the fan but we will soon find out .
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Jay,
You’re right, white supremacy is a BULLY SYSTEM, that’s why it’s so IRONIC when whites complain about “bullies” in their children’s schools. Whenever I hear this, I think, wait a minute, your children got the bullying from YOU.
and you’re absolutely right, giving in to a bully makes it worse and at some point we will have to get off our knees and face our fears.
It’s funny what you said about ideal white feminine beauty because I was a young teenager when I had the same thought. I couldn’t figure out why white males thought a woman with no hips or butt with a long skinny body was sexy and then it hit me that this was the physique of an adolescent or teenaged boy.
And this standard still holds today
Thank God most black males prefer women with women’s bodies.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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Phazex says:
May 11, 2015 at 1:44 pm
@ Sista Pam:
I agree with you that white supremacy IS a BULLY SYSTEM. And whites have always felt that they held the “standard of beauty.” However, I disagree with the thought that “we should kick the asses of those who are bullying black people.” We learned from the Black Panthers and other black based groups. We learned from the never-ending attacks of the Black Panther movement. The Black Panthers did NOT pursue law enforcement, law enforcement pursued the Black Panther’s and oftentimes, with intended violence. By history, I must give a head nod to the ‘Panthers for it was they that implemented food programs to help children, the elderly and the community. As well as a list of other community involvements. What we CAN do is educate ourselves and one another. Education, your five senses, including that “sixth” sense, called mother-wit is something NO RACIST OR OTHER NON-BLACK INDIVIDUAL can take from you. As I referenced in a previous post, historically Blacks have had NO allies. None. Any other ethnic group “jumped in” when the timing was advantageous for THEM. Otherwise? *Crickets.*
The “color-caste system” operated in EVERY ethnic group. This is one of the reasons why other non-whites feel that they are “a cut above blacks.” I LOVED your view on this by the way:
“As long as they believe they benefit from the SKIN COLOR HIERARCHY in a white supremacy system — being lighter-skinned themselves compared to the average black person — they are not going to jeopardize that small advantage. Also, there are cultural differences between us and them that make it extremely unlikely that we will ever be allies.
No one wants the black collective to develop itself. We are everyone’s unconscious CASH COW and they want it to stay that way. Also, some know who we are and that we don’t know who we are. ” I need to add NOTHING more to this statement. It is complete unto itself.
White women, as I have referenced before, are looked at as merely “another possession” of the white male and whose chief role is to keep churning out white off-spring.
Because of the influx of Asians and Hispanics, many of our black people live in communities that are deluged with them. By economics, they have to live there, little to no alternatives. And trust, they are NOT looking out for any of our interests. In fact, here is case scenario: this past Saturday, I had to drive in to the city (I live in a semi-rural area now) to bring up my dry-cleaning. After I picked up my dry-cleaning, I stopped at a hamburger restaurant to get something cold to drink as I drove back home. After I was served and stood to one side waiting for my beverage, I noted an elderly black man being served that was “shaking” somewhat and having difficulty putting some items into his wallet at the front counter. Then I saw that the counter clerk was a Hispanic female and the other customers were all Hispanic as well. They all looked at the man, yet not one them moved to assist him. I assisted the man, took his meal to the table that he pointed out and helped him to walk to his table. The entire time no one else offered to assist him. They all just LOOKED. I shook my head, talked to the elderly man for a few moments and, as a niece says, “kept it pushing” Talk about mean-spirited. This was NOT about a language barrier, but it was about helping one in time of need. I just refused to entertain the thought of what I COULD have said to each and every one of them.
As you stated? At the end of the day?
” I still stand by my statement, that black people would be better off doing what ALL other groups are doing.”
“Be for, by and about OUR people.
Be well,
-Sister Phazex_Female
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@ Rashnu
RE your original post, I disagree with the characterization that my view is a narrow, regressive one.
In fact, it’s a HIGHLY FOCUSED, progressive view that says we have to focus on ourselves on our own terms instead of attempting to build anymore rickety bridges with people who do not have our best interests at heart.
Seeing that our ‘wide-angled view’ has gotten us NOWHERE.
While other groups unify to get whatever resources whites allow them to have (as you put it), black people GIVE our most precious resources away to everyone else.
Those resources include money, education (meaning we use our education to enrich EVERYONE but our own people), our genetics, bodies, talents, time, and “love.”
I’m not holding anyone up as a role model. Every non-white group is under the thumb of white supremacy, even within their own countries.
I mentioned them because often black people talk about building alliances with other non-whites and I think at this point it is a waste of time.
They are NOT INTERESTED. They are too busy working on behalf of their own people.
Yes, whites are in control, but what other choice do we have but to try something new? What we have been doing — being all-inclusive — is NOT WORKING and to continue it is the definition of INSANITY.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Timothy
I agree, and there will be those who will try to fool us into thinking group unity doesn’t matter and many will be other black people for a variety of reasons, especially those who are warming the beds of white people. Mainly because they need to JUSTIFY their own behavior.
They will soon learn (if they haven’t already) that they have put themselves in a trick bag that will become more and more uncomfortable as the old style RACISM increasingly rears its ugly head.
I know there is safety in UNIFIED NUMBERS. Even the beasts of the field know this. Why don’t we?
If black UNITY wasn’t powerful why would the system work so hard against it? Why would they literally push sex with whites down our throats? Why provoke endless gender wars between black males and females?
It’s the things they don’t want us to do that are the things we SHOULD BE doing the most.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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Miss Pam:
Have you ever considered the raw, hurtful but truthful fact that these Coloured males simply do not wish to have melanin-rich offspring? By having whiter children, they are validated in ways that even they cannot describe.This is a very painful thing that many of us don’t wish to accept. Self hatred is a powerful disease that almost effectively kills its victims (self genocide).
Have we, as black women, ever considered the raw, hurtful but truthful fact that these “conquered males” ENJOY sexing and breeding with white females and have ZERO intention of stopping despite overwhelming evidence that this is hurting them and us? I’ve heard many black men say that white women “feel better” in bed, are more willing and “adventurous” , make “no demands to get serious” and are not “bound by their Christian Fundamentalist upbringing.”
Biology plays a large role in this as well.
A child doesn’t come from a man, she/ he comes from a woman. Therefore, it’s the woman’s conscious choice as to who she breeds with. A man’s role, to be overly simplistic, is to plant his seed. He may mate with ever he chooses because the child is not from his womb.
Many reading this will become quite upset with me for saying these TRUTHFUL things but so be it.
We already have a group of blacks in Africa called Coloureds who are OPPRESSED just like their blacker brethren so we know for a fact that interbreeding DOES NOT WORK. We also know that Colourism has ravaged the black/brown/red/yellow communities all across the world.
So why do we keep having this discussion?
Why is this still an issue?
Because some black/brown/yellow/red males CHOOSE and ENJOY breeding with white females. They like it intensely for the one thing that their own women cannot give them:
WHITE VALIDATION
The raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless is just a bonus.
-DiaryofaNegress
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This was a great comment. However I would only take issue with the idea that the “Coloureds” are oppressed “just like” the Africans in South Africa. They may not have the same privileges as whites, but they are indeed used for many purposes in South Africa which benefit them as Coloureds, one being to promote the “multicultural” meme of “post-apartheid” south Africa, and another is to occupy official government positions in order to execute domination over African people there. I know this is not a popular viewpoint on this blog, but I think it needs to be stated anyway.
Next, I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that some African males are committed to and indeed “love” sexing non-African females as a sort-of raison d’etre. However, I sincerely think that many Black people have committed ourselves too much to living our life in these western colonial states, (e,g, the USA) which puts us on on the front-lines of witnessing the destruction of our people. I am not saying that “white supremacy” is not global, nor suggesting that simply moving to another country will solve our problems, but I am saying that the tactic of “fighting it from within” is not a viable strategy either. We who truly want to fight it must look to sources outside of the geopolitical “west” and participate in developing alternative systems of power in order to develop a different option for the youth. I don’t see this strategy being utilized at the present time (at least to the degree that would counter this IR trend). And even us who are more aware are still in the stage of simply complaining and trying to “educate” the masses of people, most of whom are hopelessly mentacidal and beyond salvation–some of my present family members included.
-Lumumba
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@ Lumumba Afrika
who said:
“However I would only take issue with the idea that the “Coloureds” are oppressed “just like” the Africans in South Africa. They may not have the same privileges as whites, but they are indeed used for many purposes in South Africa which benefit them as Coloureds, one being to promote the “multicultural” meme of “post-apartheid” south Africa, and another is to occupy official government positions in order to execute domination over African people there. I know this is not a popular viewpoint on this blog, but I think it needs to be stated anyway.”
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I wholeheartedly agree.
“Coloureds” (bi-racial) people have always been used by whites against their darker brethen.
Just as they’re being used today. Yes, they are victims but not to the degree that darker skinned blacks without a white parent are.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ diaryofanegress
You raise many valid points. White validation is the KEY, a desperate need that logic cannot overrule.
You asked, why do we keep having this discussion? I harbor NO illusions that I can change the world or even the minds of most of the people who come to my blog.
BUT — if I plant one tiny seed in one mind that is searching for an answer then I have done my job.
The second reason is I do it for my OWN benefit– to keep from sliding down that slippery slope or accepting my own alleged “inferiority” as a black female.
I can’t help but agree — after many, many years of acutely painful observation that you’re right — that — as you said;
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“…some black/brown/yellow/red males CHOOSE and ENJOY breeding with white females. They like it intensely for the one thing that their own women cannot give them: WHITE VALIDATION. The raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless is just a bonus.”
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What is most painful to me is the INVALIDATION of so many precious, young (and not so young) black females who have been made to feel we don’t “measure up” to the white female
That is the 3rd reason I wrote this post. To let them know that this is not THEIR problem or just a “black” problem but a sickness that afflicts EVERY non-white group that comes into contact with white supremacy
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@Diaryofanegress
I am not surprised at your comments and as hurtful as the comments may be for some, a person can actually be set free by the comments. You stated that “because some black/brown/yellow/red males CHOOSE and ENJOY breeding with white females; they like it intensely for the one thing that their own WOMEN cannot give them: White Validation. The raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless is just a bonus. ”
The sad part is the only thing the black/brown/yellow/red males get in the end is the “the raunchy, porno-sex that leaves them breathless.’ Try as they might but they never have and never will get white validation. Some may have a few more privileges than others but tokens are still nothing but victims. They only get the ‘illusion of inclusion’ as some say.
-Sharon53
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@ Providence
While I understand your angst and disappointment, we must be careful NOT to lump all black males into one pot.
Keep in mind that the biggest DEADBEAT DADS on the planet are the white males who impregnated/raped black females for over 400 years. And that recently, the biggest deadbeat dad in America was a white male with a decent income.
What many black females who have been married to or been impregnated by white males AND who falsely believed that the white male always “takes care of his own” — they have discovered that he is MORE LIKELY to abandon his offspring with a black female than with a white female.
In addition, a recent study found that black males actually SPEND MORE TIME with their children than the men of any other ethnic group. (I’ll try to find that link)
Bottom line, MOST black males do not date or marry white females. Single mothers come in all colors. Women of all ethnicities have the same or similar complaints about the men in their group. Everything that afflicts black relationships is NOT always a “skin color” issue.
So while I stand guilty of spouting off stereotypes about the opposite sex due to my own personal frustrations, I KNOW that black males come in as many flavors as black females do.
None of us are what we should. We are ALL victims of white supremacy.
The real question in my mind is HOW can we be honest with each other without tearing each other down so we can HEAL our trauma? Because if we don’t find a way to do this — to heal from the centuries of damage that has been done to us — we are not going to make it AND our children will perish.
Maybe, it’s time for ALL to set (or try to) set our FRAGILE EGOS aside and TELL THE TRUTH about our relationships
both male AND female
-Trojan Pam
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Trojan Pam says:
October 4, 2015 at 7:08 pm
@ TheOriginalBlackWoman13
I totally understand their frustrations HOWEVER, what they advocate is NOT a solution for the masses of black females. We bear boy children. What then will be our attitude toward them? Will they be as disposable as the black male adult population?
And let’s be clear. A lot of us are raising boys TO BE disrespectful toward other black females. I have seen this many times. Calling young black girls all kinds of names when they come around our homes. “Don’t bring that h_ back over here!”
The way many (not all) black females treat each other is appalling and yes, I understand it is a reaction to white supremacy
BUT
when will we own our own S (stuff)? When will we turn that critical mirror on ourselves?
What are WE teaching our sons as we parade around with our female lovers, OR those of us who openly exhibit (and sometimes brag about our) cunning and conniving and dishonest ways, or condemning all black males within their earshot?
“black men ain’t shit and neither is your daddy, the worthless bastard.”
What about the language we use regarding other black females? “I can’t stand that (fill in the blank):”
B_
H_
SL_
TR_
or T_(That H_ Over There)
And yes, so-called “conscious” black females are often not all that embracing OR accepting of other black females. I have discovered that personally.
Years ago, I had a black female send me an email asking me to do a internet program as a guest. She addressed the email to me as “Brother:”
However, when I responded and let her know I was a black female, the invitation was withdrawn. And most black females with an internet program have NEVER invited me on as a guest.
BUT whenever I bring up the issues of black females, I get “silence.”
That says a lot about both black males AND black females always pointing fingers
at someone else — never back AT SELF
I say all that to say that ANY SOLUTION that does NOT embrace the whole of us — black male AND black female — is DOOMED.
if anyone disagrees with this, please show me an EXAMPLE of any other ethnic group that has gained stability and power without the male and female of THAT GROUP working together? Please, just ONE example
Look at racist man and racist woman, the most powerful duo on the planet. Yes, they have their battles and issues and mutual dislike (even hatreds) but when it comes to outsiders (all non-white people), they COME TOGETHER TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM OF WHITE SUPREMACY
Yet, we’re talking about not needing each other and being with our oppressors as a solution? I wholeheartedly disagree with that.
But, something MUST change and the change must start from WITHIN
every black male and black female reading this needs to worry MORE about changing themselves– ourselves– than with changing someone else
because I guarantee you there is PLENTY OF WORK TO DO without needing to step outside our doors.
this false belief on both our parts that we don’t need each other COMBINED will be the main reason it will be so easy to slaughter us in the future
OUR DISUNITY.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Mr. Mitchell
Since your post is long, I’m going to address it one point at a time:
You said, “Bear in mind that the most successful black men were the least popular black boys (while in school). Because these black boys possessed zero “swag,” the black girls that these black boys desired (yes, black boys are VERY MUCH(!) attracted to black girls) ignored them and showered the bad boys (who eventually grow up to not be successful) with their attention and affection.”
Mr. Mitchell, I hear what you’re saying and let me add:
1) I don’t know if that’s true. Is “bad” someone who is better-looking than average? Because when I was in school, the fine boys were the most popular and they weren’t all bad. In fact, being fine often made them more callous because they got away with more stuff. The same with very pretty girls. This is just human nature. Also, all “bad boys” do not grow up to be losers. Some do quite well—once they grow up.
And what defines a typical bad boy? Is it someone rebellious? A criminal? A gang banger? What? Because the bad boys in my high school weren’t any of that, but just someone who liked being rebellious. We must be careful not to take the easy way out with gross stereotypes that really don’t reflect reality
2) Every group has a standard for attractiveness. Yes, girls like boys who are “cool” or have “swag” but they like good-looking boys even more. The high school jock or the handsome rich bad boy is a common theme in white movies about white female teenage angst. This has nothing to do with skin color.
This is BIOLOGY and the way girls (and women) are HARD-WIRED to be attracted to the most ALPHA (dominant) male. Look at the white male movie stars—the vast majority are BAD BOYS. Al Pacino, Andy Garcia, the Godfather, Tony Soprano, James Bond, killers and gangsters and Clint Eastwood, James Cagney, etc. ALL played bad boys and all were considered white male SEX SYMBOLS by white females.
3) Uncool (and not so attractive girls) go through the SAME thing because they’re not cool enough, popular enough, pretty enough, or fly enough or even “loose” enough. So, this dynamic is NOT restricted by sex or ethnicity
4) The dynamic you describe occurs among ALL GROUPS. White males go through the same thing. White and Asian “ne_s” who weren’t popular often become the Bill Gates of the business world but some ne__ just stay ne__ . Some unpopular boys were unpopular for a variety of reasons. I knew unpopular boys who had poor hygiene or just weren’t attractive to girls by the prevailing standard of attractiveness. Some unpopular boys become successful, some don’t.
HOWEVER,
MOST (mature) people DO NOT use their HIGH SCHOOL EXPERIENCES as the template OR a reason to reject ALL opposite sex members of their own group. Bill Gates was rejected as a n_ _ in high school but he STILL married a white female. He doesn’t spend hours of time with magazine interviewers explaining how damaged he was by white females because he was “unpopular” because he doesn’t want to sound like a fool (let’s be real, it is a foolish reason).
I wore thick glasses for the first two years of high school and I was kinda cute but definitely not the kind of girl boys chased up and down the hall.
SO WHAT?
That was high school. Everyone can’t be popular. I wasn’t popular outside my little group but I survived it. Most people do.
I’ve heard Dennis Rodman justify many times the reason he only dates white females — “Because black girls didn’t like me in high school.”
This is a seriously flawed (and transparent) rationalization since I doubt the white girls he encountered were breaking his door down for dates
BEFORE HE BECAME the rich and famous Dennis Rodman.
And what about the black girls he didn’t like because they were too dark or too short or too tall or too skinny or too fat or whose hair wasn’t long enough or their skin light enough or their noses and lips not thin enough? Does he (and those who use those excuses) blame himself for their “emotional trauma?”
I doubt it.
If a Dennis Rodman wants to date white females exclusively OWN IT and stop blaming ALL black females for his BEHAVIOR. Most of us don’t care. I know I don’t.
Given the HUGE number of white females that pursue and catch rich/famous black males and take ALL their money, it is amazing to me that the white female is still seen as “sincere” but the black female (who is seldom the recipient of the black male’s wealth) is not. I find that most amazing which goes to show that these males are ignoring truth and trying to justify decisions that they know DEEP DOWN are seriously FLAWED.
And it greatly explains why most “rich” black males leave NOTHING behind for the black generations that follow them. That is something they need to think about.
The second part of my post:
You said:
“Here’s what I suggest: 1. Black girls should be taught that their affection/attention should go to the least popular black boys. Black girls, have patience. Those black boys will grow into their confidence and natural male dominance…think long-term.”
Mr. Mitchell, no disrespect, but this is totally unrealistic. If you’ve ever raised a teenaged girl or boy you know you cannot dictate who they like. In fact, the more you try to push a “type” the more likely they are to reject it and will think the opposite much more appealing…
However, I think the parents (father and mother) MUST lead by example by the types of people they surround themselves with and the language they use about other black people and how they treat and respect OR disrespect other black people. Those are very important lessons as well.
And whose to say WHY a boy is unpopular? Look at all the “unpopular boys” who have committed mass murders in school settings? Being unpopular is not conclusive proof that a boy or a girl are superior. Some people are popular because they’re bright, intelligent and personable or good dancers or they’re friendly or generous. I don’t know what schools you attended but where I come from NOTHING is that cut and dry.
Bottom line, everyone cannot be popular. It is NOT a death sentence and sometimes is a wake-up call that one’s appearance or behavior needs sprucing up…
You said:
“2. To compliment suggestion #1, black boys should be taught to focus on education (to develop their intellect) and to get involved in physically demanding sports (to develop their confidence and physical strength–this should help attract the black girls).”
I agree that black boys (and girls) should be focused on developing intellect but not for the purpose of being “popular.” In fact, I personally believe boys and girls should be in SEPARATE SCHOOLS until they reach college age – and should only come together during CHAPERONED SCHOOL & SOCIAL FUNCTIONS so they will know how to respectfully interact with each other.
School should not be a place where boys learn to be “popular” but should be a place where they are developed into INTELLECTUAL WARRIORS.
You said:
“3. Limit or completely eliminate any form of entertainment that promotes subversion of black male/black female relations from the lives of black boys and black girls. This blog has advocated that many times over. Degrading rap, tv shows, and movies should all be banished.”
I TOTALLY agree.
You said:
“4. I strongly oppose the philosophy of teaching black girls that “they need no man!” When black boys hear this being taught to black girls, they will–momentarily–feel useless and undesired. “If you ‘don’t need no man,’ I will chase women who ‘need’ me and who have ‘use’ for me–white women.”
I do agree that the language of black females (due to fear and frustration and a desire to appear powerful) is a self-defeating language.
Keep in mind that it is much easier on the heart and ego to CLAIM you don’t need something or someone that you’re afraid you can’t get. I do like your last two suggestions and would love to see mothers AND fathers take you up on your advice.
You said:
“Finally, black women who choose to date their conquerors (white men) strengthen the system of white supremacy and became the enemies of those who strive to dismantle the system.”
I agree.
(FYI — I do appreciate your courageous contributions since I suspect you might believe you will be attacked for posting them :-))
-Sister Trojan Pam.
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I have to disagree. What I see is fear that comes from living under a white supremacy system where to tell the truth AS A BLACK PERSON can mean the loss of everything, including our lives.
I will never condemn black people for the damage 500 years of white oppression has created.
Speaking of lacking a backbone, the entire nation lacks a backbone, including the white collective.
What does it say when one percent of a population controls over 300 million people, the majority of them white, taking their jobs and homes and land and pensions and water and clean food and air?
There isn’t a single group in this nation that can point fingers at black people. NOT A ONE. And I suggest to all the black people reading this that we need to keep the ONUS for the crimes against us on the ones who created the problem and the black cronies and puppets who are used against us
the white supremacists
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Kushite Prince
The entire system is so co-opted and corrupt that there is no more independent media. I think that’s the reason there is no real talk about racism. All the news and entertainment companies are OWNED and controlled by a handful of white supremacists. All entertainers and politicians are OWNED by the same handful of white supremacists
Which means ALL the black people who get a mike and air time are CO-OPTED and are in SERVICE to the white supremacy system. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Including President Obama.
Otherwise, you wouldn’t hear or see them and they would never be given any powerful appearing positions in politics or universities or news organizations.
Try to imagine Dr. Welsing or Mr. Fuller being interviewed or given a program on CNN.
You can’t, can you?
This is why I say over and over and over and over and over and over again
ANY TIME A BLACK PERSON GETS A MIKE AND AIR TIME ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA BE IT A POLITICIAN, A PUNDIT, A PREACHER, AN EDUCATOR, OR AN ENTERTAINER, they are being used to do one of two things
1. Promote white supremacy
2. promote black inferiority
that’s why so many black people are on TV blaming other black people or arguing with other black people or portraying other black people as clowns, buffoons, and criminals, or blaming poor black people (like Bill Cosby used to)
They are nothing more than stage players and two-bit actors in a scripted play
And their loyalty is NOT to their own people OR even themselves. And while as tempting as it is I try not to refer to them as “sellouts” (even though privately that’s exactly how I think of them) the TRUTH is they are bought and paid for. However, they are not the real problem. They are merely stage actors. They didn’t write the play or finance it. The real focus has to be on the white supremacists who orchestrated the entire spectacle
However, what I do is I IMMEDIATELY disregard ANY and ALL things coming out of their mouths about racism, be they black or white, when it is broadcast or printed in mainstream media
the system has no more time to waste playing with us. The gloves have come off and they’re going in on us BUT they need us to stay hooked into the lies, hence the phony black leaders and phony black progress and the promoting of interracial sex
What they fear MOST about black people is our UNIFICATION AND EMANCIPATION
as long as they keep us locked into the fantasy world of movies and TV and false progress and false leaders and false religions and interracial sex they can rest assured that we are SOUND ASLEEP and when they move against us
we will fold like cheap suits.
-Trojan Pam
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@ all
I think it’s VERY significant that more than 25 years later that Sistah Souljah’s words are STILL RELEVANT in spite of “black progress’ and a “first black president.”
The most important message in this message is we must FIRST understand the real problem — the system of racism/white supremacy — before we can solve our problems. ”
The FACT is we do NOT understand this system or we would have seen through the masquerade of another “first black” and the other high profile blacks who are used to deceive us about racism.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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The link below is more evidence that racism is on the rise as the economy and white frustration and fears increase.
The rash of Hollywood’s revisionist movies showing black people submitting to white oppression — the Butler, the Help, Django Unchained, 12 Years a Slave, King, Lincoln, the Purge, Planet of the Apes, and now they’re talking about remaking Roots (???)
All these images should be a sign of WHERE we are headed not accurate depictions of our history or simply “entertainment.”
There will be MORE racist aggression against black people in the coming future, not just by police but average white people who are seeking scapegoats for their anger and fear.
We MUST BE more vigilant and more aware of where we go, who we go with, and we must tell our children THE TRUTH about racism instead of letting them believe (and pretend) that “things are different now.”
A friend of mine just informed me today that his girlfriend’s son — who was raised around nothing but whites and dates nothing but white girls — is planning to attend a biker’s event out of state where there will be few blacks and a lot of white biker gangs. More than likely, if he brings a female friend (I hope not), she will be white.
This is what I mean by NOT TELLING OUR CHILDREN THE TRUTH ABOUT RACISM and NOT teaching them how to navigate the white world. This young black male (in his 20s) has NO understanding of the potential danger of being in an environment where white male gangs will be drinking and drugging heavily. Despite him just losing a job because he was being targeted by his white coworkers, he is still convinced that “things are different, racism isn’t as bad as it used to be.”
It is NOT his fault. He was never TAUGHT anything about racism — which is the case for the majority of black children. Yet, Jews don’t hesitate to tell their children about people who hate the Jews. It is time we do the same.
http://yourblackworld.net/2015/09/03/fking-n-black-family-allegedly-terrorized-by-campers/
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Kushite Prince & Timothy
I agree with both of you brothers, 2015 was the start of the “NEW BLACKS” coming out. I can just imagine how the year 2016 will be the “NEW BLACKS” coming as one to fight against BLACK AFRICANS by blaming them for our condition.
-Sister Shanequa
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@ reality_check
Slaves did fight back during slavery. Black men died fighting to protect their women and children. Black women would kill their infant children to spare them a life of slavery. Slaves used to poison their owners and kill them in their sleep. Slaves would torch fields and poison livestock. Many slave owners lived in fear for their lives. There were HUNDREDS of slave revolts in the U.S.
The problem is most of us only know that part of our history from what white supremacist TV and movies have shown us.
I give some details in my 2nd book, “Black Love is a Revolutionary Act” but you can google and find many, many articles about slave revolts. I suggest you do this asap. We have to UNLEARN the lies we were taught about ourselves to be able to move forward.
Like that saying goes: “Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it”
and we can see this dynamic playing out big time today. Black people today are at our most passive and docile state possible. Many of us are so anti-black that we actually think and sound like white racists. Many of us are so busy trying to pacify and assimilate and be sexually involved with white people that some have clearly gone insane.
I don’t know what we will do when the S really hits the fan but we will soon find out .
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Jay,
You’re right, white supremacy is a BULLY SYSTEM, that’s why it’s so IRONIC when whites complain about “bullies” in their children’s schools. Whenever I hear this, I think, wait a minute, your children got the bullying from YOU.
and you’re absolutely right, giving in to a bully makes it worse and at some point we will have to get off our knees and face our fears.
It’s funny what you said about ideal white feminine beauty because I was a young teenager when I had the same thought. I couldn’t figure out why white males thought a woman with no hips or butt with a long skinny body was sexy and then it hit me that this was the physique of an adolescent or teenaged boy.
And this standard still holds today
Thank God most black males prefer women with women’s bodies.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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Phazex says:
May 11, 2015 at 1:44 pm
@ Sista Pam:
I agree with you that white supremacy IS a BULLY SYSTEM. And whites have always felt that they held the “standard of beauty.” However, I disagree with the thought that “we should kick the asses of those who are bullying black people.” We learned from the Black Panthers and other black based groups. We learned from the never-ending attacks of the Black Panther movement. The Black Panthers did NOT pursue law enforcement, law enforcement pursued the Black Panther’s and oftentimes, with intended violence. By history, I must give a head nod to the ‘Panthers for it was they that implemented food programs to help children, the elderly and the community. As well as a list of other community involvements. What we CAN do is educate ourselves and one another. Education, your five senses, including that “sixth” sense, called mother-wit is something NO RACIST OR OTHER NON-BLACK INDIVIDUAL can take from you. As I referenced in a previous post, historically Blacks have had NO allies. None. Any other ethnic group “jumped in” when the timing was advantageous for THEM. Otherwise? *Crickets.*
The “color-caste system” operated in EVERY ethnic group. This is one of the reasons why other non-whites feel that they are “a cut above blacks.” I LOVED your view on this by the way:
“As long as they believe they benefit from the SKIN COLOR HIERARCHY in a white supremacy system — being lighter-skinned themselves compared to the average black person — they are not going to jeopardize that small advantage. Also, there are cultural differences between us and them that make it extremely unlikely that we will ever be allies.
No one wants the black collective to develop itself. We are everyone’s unconscious CASH COW and they want it to stay that way. Also, some know who we are and that we don’t know who we are. ” I need to add NOTHING more to this statement. It is complete unto itself.
White women, as I have referenced before, are looked at as merely “another possession” of the white male and whose chief role is to keep churning out white off-spring.
Because of the influx of Asians and Hispanics, many of our black people live in communities that are deluged with them. By economics, they have to live there, little to no alternatives. And trust, they are NOT looking out for any of our interests. In fact, here is case scenario: this past Saturday, I had to drive in to the city (I live in a semi-rural area now) to bring up my dry-cleaning. After I picked up my dry-cleaning, I stopped at a hamburger restaurant to get something cold to drink as I drove back home. After I was served and stood to one side waiting for my beverage, I noted an elderly black man being served that was “shaking” somewhat and having difficulty putting some items into his wallet at the front counter. Then I saw that the counter clerk was a Hispanic female and the other customers were all Hispanic as well. They all looked at the man, yet not one them moved to assist him. I assisted the man, took his meal to the table that he pointed out and helped him to walk to his table. The entire time no one else offered to assist him. They all just LOOKED. I shook my head, talked to the elderly man for a few moments and, as a niece says, “kept it pushing” Talk about mean-spirited. This was NOT about a language barrier, but it was about helping one in time of need. I just refused to entertain the thought of what I COULD have said to each and every one of them.
As you stated? At the end of the day?
” I still stand by my statement, that black people would be better off doing what ALL other groups are doing.”
“Be for, by and about OUR people.
Be well,
-Sister Phazex_Female
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@ Rashnu
RE your original post, I disagree with the characterization that my view is a narrow, regressive one.
In fact, it’s a HIGHLY FOCUSED, progressive view that says we have to focus on ourselves on our own terms instead of attempting to build anymore rickety bridges with people who do not have our best interests at heart.
Seeing that our ‘wide-angled view’ has gotten us NOWHERE.
While other groups unify to get whatever resources whites allow them to have (as you put it), black people GIVE our most precious resources away to everyone else.
Those resources include money, education (meaning we use our education to enrich EVERYONE but our own people), our genetics, bodies, talents, time, and “love.”
I’m not holding anyone up as a role model. Every non-white group is under the thumb of white supremacy, even within their own countries.
I mentioned them because often black people talk about building alliances with other non-whites and I think at this point it is a waste of time.
They are NOT INTERESTED. They are too busy working on behalf of their own people.
Yes, whites are in control, but what other choice do we have but to try something new? What we have been doing — being all-inclusive — is NOT WORKING and to continue it is the definition of INSANITY.
-Sister Trojan Pam
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@ Timothy
I agree, and there will be those who will try to fool us into thinking group unity doesn’t matter and many will be other black people for a variety of reasons, especially those who are warming the beds of white people. Mainly because they need to JUSTIFY their own behavior.
They will soon learn (if they haven’t already) that they have put themselves in a trick bag that will become more and more uncomfortable as the old style RACISM increasingly rears its ugly head.
I know there is safety in UNIFIED NUMBERS. Even the beasts of the field know this. Why don’t we?
If black UNITY wasn’t powerful why would the system work so hard against it? Why would they literally push sex with whites down our throats? Why provoke endless gender wars between black males and females?
It’s the things they don’t want us to do that are the things we SHOULD BE doing the most.
-Sister Trojan Pam
Sunday, October 4, 2015
Savant's New Words
Some old story. Le meme chose pour 400 ans. American racist white "justice " means "just us." "I swear to the lord I cannot see why Democracy means everyone but ME" wrote Langston Hughes. We assembled at the Mitchell Courthouse yesterday to demonstrate our opposition to certain measures being attempted by Baltimore police in the Freddy Gray case. They wanted to have the charges dismissed, and to recuse Marilyn Mosby from prosecuting the case. They also wanted a change of venue from Baltimore. (That's an old tactic. Remove trial to a conservative white county that can be usually counted on to exonerate cops from accountability for all violations of Black citizens). Fortunately, the defense attorney failed in these motions. We want killer cops in cell blocks.
-Savant
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Intersting. One of the most notorious examples of this was the FBI-Police assassination of Chicago Black Panther leader Fred Hampton.
-Savant
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Well I can tell you a few things that have transpired. The attorneys for the cops tried to recuse Marilyn Mosby (prosecutor who brought charges), have the case thrown out, have a change of venue which would have shifted the trial from the multiracial but predominantly AA city of Baltimore, to one of the more conservative white Maryland counties. All three of those efforts FAILED. Hence the case against the cops was not thrown out, Mosby will prosecute, and the trial will happen in Baltimore. Attorneys for the cops did succeed in getting separate trials for the six officers. We got most of what we wanted, but it's not a slam dunk. Even WITHIN Baltimore you can try to cherry pick juries favorable for your case. But it won't be as easy for them as it would have been in some conservative lilly white county where the jury can usually be trusted to rubber stamp whatever the cops do and exonerate them almost as a matter of procedure. So we will see. There's going to be a lot of jockeying back and forth.
-Savant
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A PIG or a FOOL? The Black Panther during the1960s would sometimes say about about some people who did dumb and crazy things that "He's either a PIG or a FOOL." When someone starts a thread like this one, a thread designed to spark quarrels between Blacks of America and Blacks abroad, I know it n the interests EITHER of us Blacks of the USA, or Blacks from other lands. Imperialism degrades and pillages us all. So, why did the person create such thread. Is he or she an AGENT of the enemy (like those police spies and, FBI & CIA who undermined us in the past), or is he or she simply STUPID? What this thread started by a pig or a fool?
-Savant
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The GUARDIAN, a British publication, published some info a couple of months ago which indicated that there may have been more killing of civilians by police in the USA during the previous few weeks as in the UK in the past CENTURY! No wonder some foreigners think America is uncivilized. Oh, as for the necessity of police terror in reply to anti-police violence? I doubt it. A researcher on this made a report on MSNBC this past Sunday in which it was show that as of that time there were 24 American cops killed by civilians, but over 800 people killed by cops. And we can go on and on: Our prison industrial complex, militarization of police, etc. My country may be "exceptional ", but not in the way imagined in our myths of "American exceptionalism ".
-Savant
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Unfortunately, the USA does have proportionately the largest incarcerated population in the world. You can assume that this is simply because these are bad people--which would seem to imply that Americans are a people are worst than other peoples of the earth. Or you can question what kind os society, what kind of social order or system we have developed such that we need to imprison or kill so many of our own citizens. Our country claims to be "number 1." But we must ask "number 1" in what?
-Savant
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Failed history? I don't think he even had a class or heard of the subject. Obama the most racist president in US history? Unlike Andrew Jackson, I suppose, who thought native Americans were beasts, waged genocidal wars against them, and inflicted the horrors of the "Trail of tears". Or Jefferson who held, "as a suspicion only" that "Negroes are inferior to whites in both mental and bodily endowments." Or maybe we can talk about the incarceration of Japanese Americans? The bottom line is that while one can find racism anywhere, in AMERICA racism is PRIMARILY white racism, and it is primarily people of color to suffer from it. But the current fashion among white racists is to claim that it is really the Blacks or other people of color who are racists. Not even Bull Connor or George Wallace had the effrontery to do this. These bigots make me think of Nazis who claim that it is the Jews who are victimizing them.
-Savant
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Greetings, Sioux sister. Still fighting the good fight. My writing has suffered from all the activism here in Baltimore. But, as the old French song goes, "je ne regret rien." How are things with you?
-Savant
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"...Also, whites both use and sell drugs in proportions equal to if not greater than Blacks. But our racist judicial system doesn't send them to prison as often. Everybody know that, so don't bother denying it. And it has been verified by Amnesty International, the ACLU and the UN Commission on Racism.
-Savant
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-Savant
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Intersting. One of the most notorious examples of this was the FBI-Police assassination of Chicago Black Panther leader Fred Hampton.
-Savant
_______________
Well I can tell you a few things that have transpired. The attorneys for the cops tried to recuse Marilyn Mosby (prosecutor who brought charges), have the case thrown out, have a change of venue which would have shifted the trial from the multiracial but predominantly AA city of Baltimore, to one of the more conservative white Maryland counties. All three of those efforts FAILED. Hence the case against the cops was not thrown out, Mosby will prosecute, and the trial will happen in Baltimore. Attorneys for the cops did succeed in getting separate trials for the six officers. We got most of what we wanted, but it's not a slam dunk. Even WITHIN Baltimore you can try to cherry pick juries favorable for your case. But it won't be as easy for them as it would have been in some conservative lilly white county where the jury can usually be trusted to rubber stamp whatever the cops do and exonerate them almost as a matter of procedure. So we will see. There's going to be a lot of jockeying back and forth.
-Savant
_________________________
A PIG or a FOOL? The Black Panther during the1960s would sometimes say about about some people who did dumb and crazy things that "He's either a PIG or a FOOL." When someone starts a thread like this one, a thread designed to spark quarrels between Blacks of America and Blacks abroad, I know it n the interests EITHER of us Blacks of the USA, or Blacks from other lands. Imperialism degrades and pillages us all. So, why did the person create such thread. Is he or she an AGENT of the enemy (like those police spies and, FBI & CIA who undermined us in the past), or is he or she simply STUPID? What this thread started by a pig or a fool?
-Savant
________________________
The GUARDIAN, a British publication, published some info a couple of months ago which indicated that there may have been more killing of civilians by police in the USA during the previous few weeks as in the UK in the past CENTURY! No wonder some foreigners think America is uncivilized. Oh, as for the necessity of police terror in reply to anti-police violence? I doubt it. A researcher on this made a report on MSNBC this past Sunday in which it was show that as of that time there were 24 American cops killed by civilians, but over 800 people killed by cops. And we can go on and on: Our prison industrial complex, militarization of police, etc. My country may be "exceptional ", but not in the way imagined in our myths of "American exceptionalism ".
-Savant
_____________________________
Unfortunately, the USA does have proportionately the largest incarcerated population in the world. You can assume that this is simply because these are bad people--which would seem to imply that Americans are a people are worst than other peoples of the earth. Or you can question what kind os society, what kind of social order or system we have developed such that we need to imprison or kill so many of our own citizens. Our country claims to be "number 1." But we must ask "number 1" in what?
-Savant
_________________________
Failed history? I don't think he even had a class or heard of the subject. Obama the most racist president in US history? Unlike Andrew Jackson, I suppose, who thought native Americans were beasts, waged genocidal wars against them, and inflicted the horrors of the "Trail of tears". Or Jefferson who held, "as a suspicion only" that "Negroes are inferior to whites in both mental and bodily endowments." Or maybe we can talk about the incarceration of Japanese Americans? The bottom line is that while one can find racism anywhere, in AMERICA racism is PRIMARILY white racism, and it is primarily people of color to suffer from it. But the current fashion among white racists is to claim that it is really the Blacks or other people of color who are racists. Not even Bull Connor or George Wallace had the effrontery to do this. These bigots make me think of Nazis who claim that it is the Jews who are victimizing them.
-Savant
_______________________________
Greetings, Sioux sister. Still fighting the good fight. My writing has suffered from all the activism here in Baltimore. But, as the old French song goes, "je ne regret rien." How are things with you?
-Savant
______________________
"...Also, whites both use and sell drugs in proportions equal to if not greater than Blacks. But our racist judicial system doesn't send them to prison as often. Everybody know that, so don't bother denying it. And it has been verified by Amnesty International, the ACLU and the UN Commission on Racism.
-Savant
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