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http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2012/05/crammasters-and-other-folks-words-shown.html
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CourtneyR
in reply to Tekah
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Try Malcolm X, Dr. King, Nelson Mandela, Oscar Romero, & Frantz Fanon. I once had a poster of Ernesto Che Guevarra, but that hardly suits my current advocacy of a NONVIOLENT anti-capitalist, antiracist revolution. And I'm not so sure we can create a cooprrative society by means of guns and bombs.
-Savant
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In Saint Louis, I know exactly two PHD's in Islm,aic Stduies, My guess in there are fewer than 5 here altogether. Natinwide, I would estimate between 20 and 50. Most of our intellectuals are trained in other disciplines, most are not in Islamic Studies as all. The best that we have are those who are in closely related disciplines such as Middle East Studies. Next to that would be those in African Studies. Clearly, this is a highly under-developed discipline in the USA. And, I am only just now beginning to wreslte with this problem. Eventually, it seems clear to me that we must set up an Islmaic Studies society or assocuiaton of some sorts that will work to raise and maintan the standards in the this discipline. Poliitcally and culturally, we have an uphill battle to fight because the USA is much too much eurocentric.
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What's nonsensical is your presumption that you can intelligently evaluate an analysis which you haven't studied.
Amilcar Cabral, Frantz Fanon, Malcolm X, Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Kwame Nkrumah, perhaps Kwame Ture, Abbane Ramdane, & Patrice Lumumba and numerous others I can think of were committed to a revolutionry form of nationalism. They wanted to end not only white supremacy or colonialism, but also end oppression and exploittion in any form.
Hence they tend to critique CLASS and PATRIARCHAL oppresssion as well as racial/national oppression.
I wonder whether Abdurratin has READ Nkrumah's CONSCIENCISM, NECOLONIALISM or CLASS STRUGGLE IN AFRICA. Has he read Fanon's THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH, A DYING COLONIALISM or TOWARD THE AFRICAN REVOLUTION? Has he read Cabral's RETURN TO THE SOURCE? His posts show no sign of such study.
-Savant
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Candytoenails
Here we go again. Stereotyping. When Truthslayer wrote:
"Anyone ever ask themselves just WHAT turns a man away from women, especially those of his own race?
Is it the media?
Is it society?
Or is it personal experiences?
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Maybe, it's a combination of all the above, but let me say this. A mature person puts his or her own experiences in perspective, meaning the HANDFUL of men or women they PICKED have as much to say about THEM and their CHOICES (i.e., judgments) as it does about the other people. Surely, as reasonable, mature, intelligent people, we have to admit that NONE of us have dated enough people to say anything about the majority of MEN or WOMEN because we haven't DATED them.
For a BM to turn away from his entire race of women (bizarre) makes me wonder what his reaction is when an white employer "turns away" from him as a potential employee because of a few bad BM employees. Or a white policeman who "turns away" from treating them fairly because he just arrested five BM who were involved in criminal behavior. Guess he chalks that up to "normal" behavior, huh?
Sometimes, the logic of certain argument sounds like these individuals walked in the DOOR with issues that had NOTHING to do with the women they dated. No reasonable BM would say it was right for BW to judge all BM by their own personal experiences. Then, he would see the logic and necessity as judging people as "individuals". Funny thing is, he never remembers any of the BW he dogged out or any BW that were good to him. What do you call that?
Selective amnesia.
And we BM have the nerve to wonder why we have to FIGHT for respect? What the h____ kind of men take so much enjoyment in putting down their own race of women? Women who represent their mothers, sisters, daughters, cousins, nieces? All I can say is either one of three things are true:
(1) either he's got a f____d up family, or
(2) he's f____d up.
(3) or BOTH
I say, let the white folks (WW, too) have his a___. Who gives a damn? What good is a BM to a BW when he doesn't like BW? (strange, since his a___ came from a BW's womb)
We BM got as many flaws than our women. What if nobody wanted our less than perfect a___? Where would we be? Where would WW be if a WM had some bad relationships and decided WW ain't s___? Wouldn't you think he was a fool?
Even more evidence of dislike of women: Check out the end of Truthslayer's post:
"How to succeed with women - Succeed without them." (definitely hostile)
"Start shoveling the gravel." (WTF?)
"Little girls, you're outta AMMMMMMMOOOOOOOO!!!"
Sister, some men just don't like women. Period. Some find it perversely satisfying to taunt BW. I suspect they have problems with themselves and BW are just more acceptable to pick on. Kinda like the school yard bully picking on the smaller kids.
Some men don't like women. Some have mental issues. Childhood was all tore up. Some don't grow up and learn from their relationships, instead they continue to blame everybody but themselves. Some have SEXUAL issues (remember the D/L factor?)Never met a normal BM who spends a lot of time putting BW down. Never. Always something else going on...
Men like this have self-hatred problems. That type will f____ over people just because they're black. See it all the time. Can't respect other blacks to save their lives, especially women. That type, however, will be as SWEET (key word) as PIE to a WW and then will claim WW are nicer than BW. Then will turn right around and give a BW hell then will claim BW are mean and evil. :-)
All the enemies the BM got out here, we and got time to pick on our women? Sick a___ shyt. We are racking up some bad a___ karma, cause God don't like ugly and he damn sure don't like men who don't honor and protect their own women.
I can't stand these damn posts and I don't give a d____ if Truthslayer fires back or or anybody else doesn't like what I posted. This is some UNMANLY SHYT, stereotyping your own race of women and acting like non-black women's sh___ don't stink.
Bottom line--YOU DON'T NEED A MAN LIKE THIS. LET THE WW HAVE HIS A____. BELIEVE ME, THEY'RE GETTING THE RAW END OF THE DEAL. :-)
Signed: a brotha who LOVES BW.
(no, i'm not posting this trolling for p_____. Got a woman. :-)
peace!
crammasters
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http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/liberation-strategy/45417-black-family-revolutionary-action.html
http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/blogs/cushaticmkuu/568-god-why-did-you-make-me-black-poem.html
We understand your point brother. However, you must realize that what our enemies are doing to us is already 'illegal,' and they do what they do to us because they can, because there is no strong-organized resistance from us.
There will never be healthy conditions for our people as long as we are under the 'yoke' and rule of our enemies! We have broken families right now, and the black family has always been under constant attack by our enemies. That won't change, whether we fight or not. We will still be killed/locked-up slowly (genocide) by the white supremacist dominant society/gov't, so we may as well fight! THE DARK PAST IS ALREADY SET (EUROPEAN IMPERIALISM), AND WILL AFFECT THE FUTURE, UNLESS WE CHANGE THE PRESENT (OUR RELATIONSHIP TO EUROPEANS/ARABS/JEWS/TURKS), TO CHANGE THE FUTURE! TIME IS CYCLICAL, NOT LINEAR. THE WORLD IS ROUND, NOT FLAT.
The point is, we should fight on our own 'home' turf of mother afrika, latin-america, and the caribbean, where we have the most to lose-gain in/for the future! The usa is the "house of bondage," behind enemy lines, and that is why we are falling 'victims,' as casualties-of-war. Our own foolish stubborness (ignorance-rebellion), and a deceitful-traitorous black boule leadership keeps the black masses 'stuck-paralyzed' in the usa, as if they are under some type of satanic spell-hypnosis-mass mind control!
We must expand the movement globally, reaching out to, and forming relationships with our people internationally. We must form alliances with the hugo chavez 'alba' group of nations! This is a start!
We must pool our money and resources, use the panama canal and colon free trade zone (cftz), setting up global businesses there, trading with our people, and putting our own people to work! This is what we are working to achieve right now!
We are not being 'educated' in the usa! True education teaches people how to build a nation for themselves, for self-rulership. We will never be allowed to rule ourselves in the usa! It is a "pipe-dream," and even with a "black president" we are made to obey their interests and wishes. Libya is just the first step, in taking the whole afrikan continent! What are we waiting for? Our only problem is cowardice and fear! As warrior/kings-queens we must conquer this crutch, which has been placed on us by our enemies (thru our experiences).
Mother earth is already fighting back against these wicked people, and as 'stewards' of earth, and as the original indigenous people of this planet, we have a moral and divine responsibility to fight back (facing death and extinction), to return the 'balance,' and to unseat/arrest/isolate/or destroy this menace!
And yes, we will have our own "nuremberg" trials for our enemies after they are defeated, and they will pay for their many heinous crimes! Enough said! We are already on the front-lines fighting long and hard, looking for re-inforcements! We will win together/united, or we will perish together, whether we remain 'legal' or not (continue to be good house negroes).
-Jah III
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Brother Dany Bill ... i've never heard of this person before, but i did listen to the audio and was not impressed at all.
First of all, he implies that he is college educated, referencing college experiences, yet he uses all kinds of swearing, cursing, and referencing Black People as the N word repeatedly. He is talking about presentations of people, their weight, yet this is how he's chosen to present himself to the whole wide world?! Reminds me of the verse ... get the beam out of thine own eye ... first.
He made lots of generalizations with absolutely no supporting evidence. He cited no statistics, studies, journals, articles, anything, that lended credibility to what he was saying ... yet he's college educated? I'm not impressed at all.
He is talking so negatively about Black Women, that it took all i had to continue listening to the end.
He presented the challenge, attempting to prove his personal opinion ... asking anyone to present to him a millionaire with an overweight woman ... just one. As though what a millionaire has, is the end all and be all of truth. Many Black Men that have reached millionaire status, have white women. So using his same logic, it would be safe to say that white women are the thing to have, since millionaires have them?
He also said that the only free people in the world are white men and Black women. He put Black Men and white women in the same category, suggesting that they are oppressed the same!
He talked about how all a Black Woman thinks and talks about is getting a man. How it is her primary focus in life. He said that when Black Men aren't around, all Black women talk about is Black Men, how to get them, keep them, etc.
It seems that this is his own personal opinion, which he's certainly entitled to, but holds no validity in my world. He obviously only likes small skinny women (and perhaps even white, since he put himself in the same category as them), which is fine, but he can't shove that down the throats of everyone, as though it is the preference of all. I happen to personally know lots of Brothers that do not prefer skinny women. They want, seek out, and prefer a woman with meat on her bones. He says if a Brother is with a bigger woman, it's because he's broke, no good, down on his luck, and simply can't do any better.
When i first saw the title of this thread, i thought you were sharing your opinion Brother Dany Bill or asking some questions regarding this phenomena that might lead to serious discussion. Instead, i find this guy's "skinny white woman testimonial" inside, and well ... it's disappointing to say the least.
It's time out for us to be trying to demean each other based on any of the conditions we are all subject to, that haunt us, and manifest in our lives. I find it offensive that he has the nerve to be talking about women as though he is one ... and well ... maybe he is ... i don't know. Nonetheless, with so many issues surrounding Black Men in this world, that he could be teaching and speaking on ... he chooses to attack Black Women that may be carrying extra weight.
Whatever he says about most Black Women, he's saying about his Mother, Aunt, GrandMother, Sister, etc., and that's sad.
Such a great level of insensitivity from our own.
-Destee
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