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So Chase, one of the too big to fail crowd, may lose 9 billion dollars, and is still engaging in the risky behavior that should be regulated. But the politicians are now sidetracked with immigration, no new taxes, and this healthcare issue.
These issues are important as well, but I would hate to think that nothing is being done to reign in the out of control Wall Street policies that go us up to our necks with bailouts and toxic assets.
-Ms Mack
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THeY try to make us think you hate us to! im not sure why they dont want us to love eachother,but i love you!!! and harvard? WOW!!! congrats to you!They want us to hate each other, i have been to america,for a short programme at havard,the blacks were so welcoming,they were not hating on an african woman doing better. We sat together,chatted, and i felt like i was re uniting with long lost siblings. They told us before living(we were sponsored by anglo american btw)that it would not be a good idea to mix with aa since we have different cultures,and since they hate africans. I never felt hate,just mutual respect,interest in each others ways and a whole lot. Two of the friends i met there came here in s.a last december,and they were shocked to see beautiful people(in and out) living nicely. I love aa,im glad i came there,so that i can tell my friends and family, you are not drug dealers,pimps,"whores ",who donot have family structures.
Thanx a lot 2my sistas and brothas from havard,who took care of us,like we were their guest. That is what we call an african spirit(whether you are born in or out of the continent), we have soul. Thank you again
WE ARE ALL BLACK AFRICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS,NO MATTER WHERE WE LIVE! AFRICAN LOVE!!a
-Revelry
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You guys try going to all black events. Where sucessful blacks get together to mingle and have a good time. You will find so really decent black women who are single and looking. Believe me there are alot of good black women still looking for that one good black man too.
-beautiful black woman
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_jaz__ wrote:
@NewNew, I
understand what you're trying to say when you say let a man be a man..in other
words some women will try to run over their man and be selfish, even going as
far as to try and make all the decisions herself...
Exactly!
And not only that, When a Man is trying to do simple repairs around this house,
let the Man be. Some women will jump in and tell him what he should be doing by
taking the tool out of his hand to take over. -MsNewNew
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P p | July 5th, 2012 at 17:38
jacky before u talk s___ and accuse people of racism or being gay- go check your facts. Michael Johnson features in a documentary within which scholars and historians of various races gave findings that validate Michael Johnsons words.
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July 6th, 2012 at 04:51
MetamorphosisOfGipsy
Allow me to just clarify one last thing about my position on this so communicated correctly.
I am in no way saying that each and every white person is actively and consciously practicing racism…You have some poor white people in the Appalachian Mts of West Virginia that cant even spell racism…
Im saying that there is a system in place of global white supremacy (You can call it the IMF, the Bildebergers, the CFR, Skull and Bones, etc) that has been created and maintained to subjugate and dominate people WHOM THEY CONSIDER TO BE NOT WHITE…Thats real and verifiable ..They’ve easily and successfully debunked the world “Illuminati” because it was vague and non-specific..
Im saying that all white people either consciously or unconsciously practice and participate in the system of white rule to maintain or benefit from that system to subjugate, steal from, and dominate all those they in their own definitions have clasified as being NOT WHITE…Those who dont participate in the racism actively participate by their silence and participation in delusing black people that such a system does not exist.
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I dont think they are doing this because of President Obama beloved. Racism did not start with the election of Barrak Obama. Nor do I think that he is doing this for political reasons.
This is simply about white people being white people. Them coming together to discus their concerns without OUTSIDERS having a say is nothing new.
I only wish that Black People would see the SUPREME value in such actions if we did the same. We are always to willing to allow people OUTSIDE of our race to have a say in our actions.
If living in a multi cultural nation is your idea of what is best for you, then go for it, but i happen to want something else.
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I definitely don't disagree with you. However, the difference between this type of movement and that of the recent past is that a vast majority of whites--especially the formerly neutral middle class---are actively affiliating with white nationalism. For example, in the past two years alone gun sales among middle class whites have gone up 500%, the Tea Party successfully raised its head on the national political level, affiliation with white nationalists groups has more than tripled across the nation, and whites are "prepping" for a race and resource war. None of this is coincidence. They are readying themselves to do battle with people of color (i.e. undocumented immigrants, us, etc..) as well as with the government.
Again, I agree that they've always been fundamentally racist but recent activism within their core base has gone up significantly and much of it has to do with their sincere belief that the government is seeking to destroy the white man, racism has reversed , and, according to them, now that a black man is in power, we are living in a "post racial society". In essence, they want their country and status back. Well, I'm definitely for living in a multicultural nation because there isn't a place on earth that isn't multicultural. Even in predominately Black nations multiculturalism exists (i.e. male, female, gays, straights, rich, poor, old, young, skin color variation, size, ability, etc..). I've lived in several countries, two of which were predominately Black---and I can say that, in comparison to living in the US, there's something beautiful about that experience. However, after the honeymoon phase is over, one begins to realize that human nature will always raise its head.
Last, white folks have never been my problem. I've never seen them as anything other than a troubled nation of people who have nothing except fear and racism to bind them. In the US especially, they never recovered from slavery, never re-civilized themselves, and never grasped an understanding of how to live in harmony with the world. In fact, white people came to America in crisis and they have remained crisis oriented to this day. For them to live without fear would be foreign to them. For them to not be worried and paranoid about who is going to kill or destroy them would be like having an out of body experience. Their energy is off and now the only things that they once had to make them feel normal--jobs and land--has been "taken" from them.
There's no way on earth that tons of whites can lose their jobs, have their homes foreclosed on, lose their wealth, and then sit back and watch "illegals" come in and take what they feel is rightfully theirs and someone not have to pay for it. They are convinced that they're being strategically wiped out.
Again, these people are in crisis as they've always been.
Again, these people are in crisis as they've always been.
What Black people need to do is begin to see ourselves from an economic perspective. For them, it's about what Obama represents. For us, it needs to be about us becoming a political force that is taken seriously, no matter who the President is. If we can't understand economics, we can't possibly understand racism. I refuse to come together with anyone who doesn't understand that. Thanks for your feedback.....it's great to engage a mentally strong and determined brother!
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Don't expect much. The Obama Administration has been in many ways a continuation of the Dubya regime.So Chase, one of the too big to fail crowd, may lose 9 billion dollars, and is still engaging in the risky behavior that should be regulated. But the politicians are now sidetracked with immigration, no new taxes, and this healthcare issue.
These issues are important as well, but I would hate to think that nothing is being done to reign in the out of control Wall Street policies that go us up to our necks with bailouts and toxic assets.
Wall St. and the other corporate miscreants will get their way, the Press and politicians will concentrate instead on gay marriage or flag-burning, and we'll be screwed even deeper into the pit into which we're all being shoved.
Until the people wake up and actually demand change, we won't get it. So far we've got Tea Partiers demonstrating against “taxes”(though Obama didn't raise their taxes) and repeating stale 80's connedservative cliches, and Occupy sleeping in the park, their message obscured by their antics.
Don't expect much.
-Barros Serrano
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You can deny it all you want, but cultural identities and fundamental nationalities are a reality. Now, people have the right to respect their phenotypes as a long as this respect is filled with legitimate intent without malice or bigotry. Now, I don't want the world to be one skin color. I like the diversity of humanity in many forms of skin colors, personalities, and other characteristics. Now, as for me as a black man, I respect my people and I want black people to prosper in the world. Your vision is Utopian, but the reality is that Black people will grow for decades and centuries more. We have grown centuries ago and we will continue to promote Black Love forever. You can't change that regardless of your intention. Also, many societies in the globe are multicultural and they survive without making one nation having one color.
Well that's your call I guess' just don't put dat crap on me. The sooner we are all one colour the better as far as I'm concerned.
-By Timothy (Me)
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Actually, I NEITHER stated nor implied that those leaders who abandoned or watered down king's vision of economic justice were motivated by self-hatred. In fact, I was thinking about somethig else--though, now that do think about it, who knows? But what i REALLY had in mind was lack of vision and the blinkering of imagination and consciemce by narrow class interests.
Yes, Brother Savant, you did not "state" that Kings dream was watered down by "self hating" blacks. You merely "implied" it. I stand corrected.
Economic justice exists in law, which is what I said, it has been accomplished, but not in fact, which is also what I said, it's now up to the economically oppressed to take advantage of the opportunity those laws afford them.
You did it.
I did it.
Many other people of color have done it.
What possible excuse exists for those who have not yet done it?
Now economic justice DOES NOT exist in either law or fact. If it did, there would be no poverty in the world richest nation. There would be no illiteracy. There would be no joblessness. And everyone who needed decent health care would have it. It was to attain economic justice that King sought to win an ECONOMIC BILL OF RIGHTS during the Poor Peoples Campaign. That economic justice isn't legally guaranteed was well understood by King himself.
Hence his comment: "It is not a Constitutional right that men have jobs, but it is a HUMAN right." (See p.5 of FROM CIVIL RIGHTS TO HUMAN RIGHTS, by Prof. Thomas Jackson or PAPERS OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR (3))
Unfortunately, economic inequities are structurally built into the economym abd cabbi be renedied without (in King's words) a "radical redistribution in political and economic power."
But he meant from the haves to the have nots. What we've seen over the past 30 years is a redistribution of more of the nation's wealth from the have nots (and have less) to the haves. This must be halted and reversed, maybe by a NEW MOVEMENT for economic justice.
As to the claim that anyone can simply work his/her way out of poverty, that's an old rags-to-riches myth like the divine rights of kings and Santa Claus.
There are alwatys those who will "succeed", but those individuals do not amount to a coutrrargument. You had the wealthy Cuffee brothers even during slavery. You had CJ Walker even during the early 1900s. The state of most people are little affected by this.
Poverty and exploitation are SOCIAL CONDITIONS, not expressions of individual character. And in a period when the electronic revolution threatens to make labor itself obsolete, the "hard work"ethics is virtually irrelevant as indeed it was always false.
-Savant
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Good Lord! Where do I start?
Richard Wright's BLACK BOY, NATIVE SON, OUTSIDER
Toni Morrisson's BLUEST EYE, SULA, TAR BABY, SONG OF SOLOMON, BELOVED
Andre Malraux's MAN'S FATE.
Malcolm's AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF MALCOLM X
Frantz Fanon's THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH
J.P. Sartre's BEING AND NOTHI9GNESS, CRITIQUE OF DIALECTICAL REASON, NO EXIST & OTHER PLAYS, ANTI-SEMITE AND JEW, INTIMACY, THE WORDS
Karl Marx's ECONOMIC & PHILOSOPHICAL MANUSCRIPTS OF 1844, 18the BRUMAIRE OF LOUIS BONAPARTE, CIVIL WAR IN FRANCE.
Georg Hegel's PHENOMENOLOGY OF MIND
Dr. Martin L. King's STRENGTH TO LOVE
Howard Zinn's A PEOPLES HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES
W.E.B.Du Bois' SOULS OF BLACK FOLK, DARKWATER, BLACK RECONSTRUCTION IN AMERICA, DUSK OF DAWN, THE WORLD AND AFRICA
Honore de Balzac's PERE GORIOT, LOST ILLUSIONS
Bibllical books: Song of Songs, Isaiah, Amos
Tolstoy: ANNA KARENINA, DEATH OF IVAN ILYICH
Dostoyevski: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT, BROTHERS KARAMAZOV
Plato: REPUBLIC, MENO, APOLOGY OF SOCRATES, SYMPOSIUM, PHAEDRUS, ION
Albert Memmi; COLONIZER AND COLONIZED
Albert Camus: THE STRANGER, MYTH OF SISYPHUS, THE FALL
Victor Hugo's LES MISEERABLES
Sophocles: KING OEDIPUS, OEDIPUS AT COLONUS, ANTIGONE
Cinua Achebe: THINGS FALL APART
Rousseau: ORIGINS OF INEQUALITY AMONG MENM SOCIAL CONTRACT, REVERIES OF A SOLITARY WALKER
Betrand Russell, WHY I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN
Martin Buber: I AND THOU, BETWEEN MAN AND MAN, KNOWLEDGE OF MAN, PATHS IN UTOPIA
Simone de Beauvor: FORCE OF CIRCUMSTANCE, THE MANDARINS, ALL MEN ARE MORTAL, THE SECOND SEX.
Euripides: TROJAN WOMEN,
Ralph Ellison: INVISIBLE MAN
James Baldwin: NOTES OF A NATIVE SON, NOBODY KNOWS MY NAME, FIRE NEXT TIME
etc, etc. This hardl scratches the surface.
-Savant
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LOL! I once tried to suggest to her that she acquaint herself with the works of black women writers and thinkers such as bell hooks, Angela Y. Davis, Anna Julia Cooper, etc. She felt she had nothing to learn from them--from their "playbook" as she called it---and, if anything, could teach them a thing a two. I guess Carol's wisdom comes from TV.
Oh well, television can be entertaining. And it usually requires little if any creative thinking and imagination.
-Savant
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Indeed. We need to consider a number of optins, including alternative institutions for the education of our youth. The "freedom schools" of SNCC may oofer some clues, the educational programs once initiated by the Black Panther Party may offer other suggestions. We need to reflect anew on the AIMS of education. Our practice of education is not separable from our philosophy of education. We must study and re-evaluate the Du Bois/Washington debates regarding education, perhaps drawing upon the best of each, and working out new symtheses.
EXACTLY!!! While I am the first to admit that it can be greatly amusing to exchange "shots" with racist trolls - particularly DUMB racist trolls - there are certain threads where it's best that the discussion remain serious at all times.
This is one of them. Education is absolutely critical to the survival of Black folks in the 21st century.
We need to be active within the estbalished institutions as well, exerting what influence we can. We've a lot of work to do.
By the way, did you get a chance to look over Fanon's THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH? I will start a thread soon. I was waiting for summer school session I to end. Then just as it ended we got this huge storms on the East Coast. Threw everything out of whack. But I will get started on the Fanon thread soon.
You might want to check out Fanon's distinguished teacher, Aime Cesaire. Especially DISCOURSE ON COLONIALISM & RETURN TO MY NATIVE LAND.
And on't forget Fanon's other books: BLACK SKINS, WHITE MASKS, A DYING COLONIALISM, TOWARD THE AFRICAN REVOLUTION.
-Savant
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It's like they want us to pretend like 500 yrs of torture and murder never happened to us and act like we immigrated over here voluntarily with the Irish and Italians.
-SharemyLove
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I said the same thing... *shrug* I guess some whites are upset that ppl actually know facts about American History. I am far from being a fan of Chris Rock BUT he is right.
-A Person
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Knowing your history does not = using slavery as an excuse to waste your present life away/blame other people. Yes, the ancestors worked hard so that their descendents would not need to experience the hell on earth they experienced. But I doubt they would want their descendents to forget about their struggle, their pain, their toil, and their tenacity to survive in a system that did not even recognize their humanity either.
People never tell the Chinese to "get over" the Rape of Nanking. People never tell Cambodians to shut down the museums remembering those that died during the Khmer Rouge. Native Americans always weep for the land lost and the blood shed from their ancestors, heck some Native groups do not even exist anymore.The Sinti Gypsies always remember their history as victims of the Holocaust; do people tell them to simply "put it in the past and forget?"
People want to downplay the painful history of slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, Redlining, etc because they wish think that Black people are only where they are because of their innate inferiority and not historical/present circumstances.
I never understand why people want Black people, all over the world in general, to forget about their history. I notice this not just in regards to Black American history, but all Diasporic histories and African history in general. I truly believe learning the history of your people is a source of perpetual strength, and it seems like non-Black people try their hardest to deprive Black people of this.
-A Person
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