More Conscious Words

Regarding the Panthers, I've heard of another book called BLACK AGAINST EMPIRE, apparently about the anti-imperialist political thought of that Party.There's a book on the Black Panthers published by Black Classics Press. I can't think title right now. It may be RECONSIDERING THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY. Black Classics Press is run by Paul Coates, former head of the Baltimore Black Panther Party. His son Ta Nehisi Coates wrote an interesting article on issue of Reparations which appeared several months ago in the ATLANTIC magazine.

-Savant

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One thing that was different was the attitude toward that dysfunction. Black men and women seemed to realize that the dysfunction in our relationships were socially conditioned by oppression, but also thought that it was something we had to work to correct. You didn't see the loony animosities between Black men and women that are displayed all over the internet. Healing our interpersonal dysfunction was considered by that generation to be part and parcel of the entire struggle for social liberation. So, yes, they argued, debated, agreed and disagreed. And sometimes there was anger---but rarely to the point that they denounced or despised each other. You didn't see or hear Black men and women claiming how much better white (or other non-black) men and women were superior to the men and women of their own people. If you DID talk like that you got straightened but good! If a brother disrespected a sister around any conscious sisters and brothers (of which there were far more), they set him straight. Not only sisters set him straight. Brothers would call you on it too. I recall in Jamal Joseph's memoir PANTHER BABY that when he (then about 15) came out his mouth the wrong way with a Panther sister, she set him straight. And an older male Panther pulled him up: "Young brother, did you REALLY think you could talk that jive to a Panther sister and not get called on it? Did you really think you could talk to her the way you talk to women on a street corner?" I was a kid when the Panthers were happening. But I recall that they'd tell the bada____ dudes in the hood: "Do you want to be a pimp or a revolutionary? You can't be both. And if you a pimp then you're an enemy of the people. And you know what we think and how we deal with enemies of the people." Frankly, I think that George Jackson (with all his flaws) proved to be a more thoughtful about the problems of black men and women over time than did Eldridge Cleaver. I must say I found rather touching the doomed love between George Jackson and Angela Davis. A self-educated brother from the hood and a middle class university educated sister finding each other as comrades, and then as lovers. I still recall from one of Angela's letters to George: "I love YOU and I love MY PEOPLE." Much of their correspondence was both about the movement, about relations between Black men and women (how the struggle for liberation necessarily involved as well a transformation of our relationships as well as creating new revolutionary institutions,etc), and about their love for each other. The whole level of discourse is so much more advanced than what we commonly see now that I guess it's almost impossible to believe that such times and people actually existed. But they did. And I think they can exist again

-Savant

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That's one of the reasons King refuse to identify with either party. That's one of the reasons that by the late 60s his mind was on forming a new movement---a multiracial movement--of the dispossessed for economic justice, economic democracy. With the winning of certain legal rights through the civil rights struggle, he believed that now issues of class and economic justice and fairness needed to be front and center. Perhaps that is why he was killed.

-Savant

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Fundamental to the solving of any problem is indeed understanding its origins and causes. And that truism is probably where our agreement ends. For most Black people understand that the problems themselves, and their origins are SOCIAL, and not wrong decisions or bad choices by errant individuals. Personal choices, good are bad, usually responses to a problem though they can sometimes become a part of the problem. But unless you rectify the social roots of a problem then the problem continues. Individualistic analyses and solutions to problems which are social are really delusional. As we have different answers to what CAUSED the problem, it is naturally to have different answers to the question of what the possible remedies are. And to be frank, I don't think most whites understand the causes of their problems, or the nature of the problem. And that's one of the reasons you find poor and middle class whites spewing more animosity towards Blacks, Jews, Latinos, immigrants or whoever than against the 1% who own them, body and soul.

-Savant

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At the time of Napoleon's invasion of Russia, that country numbered at least in the tens of millions; probably more. When Napoleon attempted to reconquer Haiti and restore slavery, Haiti had not more than 500,000 people. (France, though less numerous than Russia, had 20 million people when the 1789 Revolution broke out). Hence, the army of Napoleon (25,000) was quite large in Haiti considering the country he was invading.

-Savant


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 If Alex is so against abuse of any race,he wouldn't be defending killers like Darren Wilson.And no i`m not impressed by Alex Jones token black puppet who Alex uses to get gullible blacks to follow him.

And Trayvon assaulted what Mexican?First of all Zimmermen is half Peruvian/half white jewish.Number 2 no blood of Zimmermen was found on the ground,and their was no DNA evidence showing that Trayvon Assaulted Ziummermen,all those pictures that was shown with Zimmermen with business on him was photoshopped by white supremacist.

Ad theirs audio of Trayvon screaming for help.

And Trayvon never went to prison,and he was planning to go to College to study Aeronautics.The whole "Trayvon was a thug" claim,is bullshit made up by white supremacist in order to justify his death.Just like during the Jim Crow era when blacks got lynched by whites,whites would claim that they lynched a particular black man because he raped a white women which was bullshit.All that shows is nothing has changed with you people aside from the rhetoric.

The fact that you defend Zimmermen just confirmed everything i said about you patriots.A lot of times i don`t even have to say anything,all i have to do is sit back and let you fake liberals expose yourselves.

-blackfirst

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On average, black men’s prison sentences are 20% longer than white men’s for comparable crimes:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

Black people and white people use illegal drugs at similar rates, but black people are far more likely to be arrested for drug use:

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war-on-drugs-racist-minorities

African Americans are far more likely to be stopped and searched (although
the contraband hit rate is higher among white people) in California:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23

And in New York (where the data isn’t quite as good but appears to be comparable to CA):

http://www.nyclu.org/content/nypd-quarterly-reports

Those wrongfully convicted and later exonerated by DNA are disproportionately African American:

http://www.innocenceproject.org/free-innocent/improve-the-law/fact-sheets/dna-exonerations-nationwide

Black kids are far more likely to be tried as adults and more likely to
receive life sentences:

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/05/when-to-punish-a-young-offender-and-when-to-rehabilitate/the-race-factor-in-trying-juveniles-as-adults

Black former convicts get fewer employer callbacks than white former
convicts:

http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc232i.pdf

-Holip sism

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If they are not black nationalist then they are a waste of time.The Illuminati is just the elite faction of white supremacy.Blacks are suppose to lump all of you with the Illuminati because most whites are collaborators with the Illuminati when it comes to maintaining systematic white supremacy.The only reason most  whites are against the Illuminati to a certain degree,is because the Illuminati is screwing whites over also.

Also the white patriot movement was completely infiltrated after the Illuminati killed William Cooper.Your patriot movement is being lead by Illuminati agents like like that fat disinfo warrior Alex Jones,Mark Dice,Gerald Celente,Jeff Rense and many others.And plus the Patriot movement is racist towards blacks.I`ve seen the racist comments they make all the time about blacks.


Those blacks you named need to join the black nationalist movement or they will get eaten alive by white supremacy.

-blackfirst
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Yeah every time i expose white supremacy all of a sudden i`m playing the victim role blaming whitey for everything huh?You people sing the same propaganda song,because ya`ll don`t have the brain power to come up with something original.

-blackfirst

Carmelita Jeter's Interview

Carmelita Jeter voor Flame Games from Losse Veter on Vimeo.

Savant's Commentaries

It's an historical fact that whites have murdered other whites in the millions and tens of millions...maybe more. Even before the carnage of WWI and WWII this went on in Europe. The Thirty Years War (1618--1648) alone reduced the population of Germany from about 22 millions to about 10 millions. Obviously the two world wars and the murderous tyranny of the dictators caused far greater carnage than that. So, yeah....Barros is right on that one.

-Savant

http://nyx.uky.edu/oh/render.php?cachefile=02OH108RPWCR03_King.xml

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TH2AUD38H6T9N3QEE#c7

http://isreview.org/issue/96/race-surveillance-and-empire

http://www.counterfire.org/articles/a-marxist-history-of-the-world/16105-a-marxist-history-of-the-world-part-98-the-vietnam-war


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I've just started reading once more THE FIRE NEXT TIME by James Baldwin. I am also reading FRANTZ FANON: A PORTRAIT and THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH by Frantz Fanon. Just finished reading GOING DOWN JERICHO ROAD: THE MEMPHIS STRIKE, MARTIN LUTHER KING'S LAST CAMPAIGN. Also, COLONIALISM AND NEOCOLONIALISM by Jean-Paul Sartre (my favorite white philosopher). Over spring break I will be revisiting Aime Cesaire's DISCOURSE ON COLONIALISM since I'm discussing this with my students in class. Don't get me started. I'm bibliophile. I even carried one of James Baldwin's books in my coat pocket on the way to one of our "Black Lives Matter" demonstrations in Baltimore

-Savant

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In short, you were posing a rhetorical question. Now the facts: Some African Americans, duped by racist propaganda against Africa (also intended as a weapon against us), do try to distance themselves from African and believe themselves superior. Other African-Americans actually take pride in the African past, and the African beginnings of our own cultural self-formation. At higher levels of political consciousness, some African Americans actually feel and affirm solidarity with Africa and with Blacks in other parts of the world. In port cities like Baltimore, Black American dockworkers went on strike and refuse to lift chrome from Rhodesia during the 1070s or materials from Fascistic apartheid South AFrica. Some sought to fight as volunteers in support of Ethiopia during the Italian fascist invasion. And for some American Blacks Italy's rape of Ethiopia is what first incensed to the point of wanting to fight Fascism in Europe. Some Black members of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade volunteering to fight Franco stated they were initially motivated by the attack on Ethiopia. Black American churches, community organizations, trade unions and some businesses withdrew funds from institutions known to be investing in the apartheid regime. Black intellectuals used the power of the word, in both writing and speaking, to educate the public about struggles in southern Africa. (In the 1970s there was even an African Liberation Support Committee organized to raise funds for the liberation movements and public awareness in the USA). I was personally involved in some of this while still in high school during the 1970s, and continued into the 1980s and beyond. Black American churches raised funds for the education of South African youth who had to flee their country after the Soweto massacres. My mother's church was one of them. There were endless rallies, protests and sometimes arrests. The Black media, including the BALTIMORE AFRO-AMERICAN helped keep the issue alive. And our predecessors, folk like W.E.B. Du Bois, Paul Robeson, Lorraine Hansberry, Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X, and the original Black Panther Party kept the issue of African American/African solidarity on the front burner. (I even recall a mass rally at Fisk University in which some brothers who were Vietnam vets wanted to know if THEY couldn't go to South Africa to help fight the racist regime. I recall one vet who stood up and said: "We spent years, and some lost our lives fighting the yellow man for the white man. We need to fight our REAL enemies. And I'd like to know how well those f**king crackers shooting kids in Soweto can do against BLACK MEN with GUNS!" Which got a round of applause. But ANC spokesman said that building a movement in America was the best way to assist the struggle in South Africa). To make a long story short, brother, I think if you want to tell it like it is, you need to make sure you know FULLY how it is.

-Savant

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It has been said that in America, it is the Blacks who have most developed something like what one thinker calls the "tragic sense of life." Cornel West speaks of the "tragicomic sense of hope" that has been so eloquently expressed in the "blues sensibility" of AA culture. And then there is the prophetic tradition which is of ancient Hebrew origins, but most powerfully expressed in America in AA spirituals, gospels--in what Du Bois calls the "Sorrow Songs" of Black America. Each reveals a profound perception of the meaning of life. A sense of life's inexorable limitations, but also a sense of its inspiring possibilities. When I've time I may post more reflections on this...after midterm madness is over. Sgh.

-Savant

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Freddy the fool is worst than apolitical. He's politically REACTIONARY. An apolitical person would probably do nothing and say nothing of any significance. Freddy actively OPPOSES progressive Black thought and politics. In fact, he opposes progressive anything. He has ridiculed people involved in the protests against police terror, claiming that only "hoodr__" and ghetto thugs have problems with the police. (The obvious class biases aside for a moment, yell that to Skip Gates, Cornel West, and a couple AA--and one Latino- writer friend of mine who got jacked up by the police). The Black Panthers used to say the idiots like freddy were either pigs or fools. Who knows? He may be BOTH, but I know he's a fool)

-Savant

Trojan Pam's new words in March of 2015

@ Just Me

I agree. Racism/White Supremacy is a SYSTEM designed to perpetuate itself and to perpetuate the “appearance” of black inferiority and it’s a system that the VAST MAJORITY of whites participate in either by COMMISSION (openly practicing racism) or by OMISSION (denying that it exists and that they benefit from it).

Without the VAST majority of whites either covertly or overtly supporting this system it would not be able to function on a national or a GLOBAL basis. If this were not true, there would be whites openly fighting the inferiorization of black schools, meaning there would be black schools in the U.S. that were EQUAL to white schools — and I don’t know of a SINGLE CITY OR TOWN in the U.S where black schools are NOT inferior to white schools.

How can that be true unless the VAST majority of whites practice and support the system of racism? I’ll go even further.

Go anywhere in the world where whites are in power and you will see inferior non-white schools and communities. Now, how can that be possible unless there’s a SYSTEM in place to GUARANTEE that blacks and other non-whites stay educationally inferior?

and even more importantly WHY do white people need to manufacture “inferior” education for blacks (and non-whites) if they REALLY believed they were “superior?”

And this is what is so frustrating when discussing the system of racism/white supremacy with other black people. That we can’t see — or refuse to see –what is right in front of our noses and that we keep buying into LIES that we are not as smart as white people.

When in reality, if I KNOW I’m a superior person, I don’t NEED a system, I don’t NEED to cheat all the time. In fact, I can give an inferior person an ADVANTAGE because I know they can’t beat me. But the white system exists as a CRUTCH for white people because they FEAR that unless that have a BIG head start they will probably lose a lot of “races.”

That’s why so many whites were in an uproar about “affirmative action” and called it “reverse racism” because they know (secretly) that the key to maintaining their white system of privilege and power is to NEVER let black or non-white people have an equal start in life — EDUCATION.

that I have to DEBATE with black and non-white people that this system even exists is a major source of frustration and irritation because OUR COMPLICITY and DENIAL is one of the main reasons white supremacy continues to dominate us.

Instead of resisting our oppression, far too many blacks and non-whites put whites on pedestals, chasing behind them (or being caught) for sexual and romantic “encounters” and at the same time BLAMING other black people (and non-white) people for being victims of racism/white supremacy when we, ourselves, are still being oppressed (?)

(a totally illogical and self-disrespecting position in the face of oppression (!)

We have become huge CO-CONSPIRATORS in our own oppression and that our children and our children’s children, and it’s time we WAKE UP, OPEN OUR EYES, FACE OUR REALITY and gather the COURAGE to at least tell ourselves the Truth about what we’re dealing with AND what we are NOT doing about it. .That’s the least we can do

(sorry about the long post )

Abagond — excellent topic!

-Sister Trojan Pam

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@ satanforce

Wow, thanks for the eye-opening links.

To share a quote from one of the articles: “Many white parents say they’re leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extra-curriculars like sports and other personal interests.”

It sure sounds like “liberal whites” are fleeing the school system because the Asians students are making their children feel inferior

because Asians students are better prepared than the glued-to-the-cellphone, making-endless-selfies, taking naked-pics-on-cellphones, playing video games and pouring-vodka-in-the-eyeball-to-get-high well-to-do white kids. .

I can also imagine it doesn’t feel good when something or someone make your children feel inferior…. especially when your kids don’t the excuse of being poor and oppressed..

It appears that “liberal” whites embraced “diversity ONLY when they are in the superior position. (which is why I never buy into the labels people give themselves) — and they obviously shun anything that attacks THEIR system of white privilege, white superiority and white power and exposes it as a FRAUDULENT SYSTEM.

I also hope this is a WAKE-UP call to so many “Asians” who often don’t acknowledge their non-white status (another group that is deeply in denial despite all their numerous wake-up calls) although I doubt it will.


-Sister Trojan Pam

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@ The Pragmatist

from what I understand it wasn’t black activists who wanted integrated schools, they wanted EQUAL schools, it was the white supremacists who mandated integrated schools, probably (I believe) to maintain control over the education of black students the same way they controlled every aspect of black life.

Of course, money improves education just like money improves the quality of a child’s home life. Why are private schools so expensive? Why are boarding schools so expensive? Why does organic food cost more than non-organic food? Because anything of higher quality costs more money.

I did a series of posts on the Chicago school system but I’ll leave the link to a relevant one.

http://racismws.com/2013/06/02/chicago-school-closings-racial-dislocation-part-3/

in the middle of my post check out the — Avenues: The World School (Manhattan, NYC)

Here’s a quote from their website:
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“Imagine that the chair of Avenues’ Spanish language studies is located at the Avenues campus in Madrid. She helps to recruit Spanish teachers for Avenues schools all over the world; selects the best Spanish courseware; conducts professional development/training programs for Spanish teachers; and runs the immersion programs in Madrid in which many Avenues students from around the world will participate.”
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Does anyone think a elite education where GRAMMAR SCHOOL students participate in “the immersion programs in Madrid?” costs money?

Black people should NEVER buy into the fraudulent argument that quality schools don’t cost money while whites spend three to five or more times more money on white schools

-Sister Trojan Pam

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@ Solesearch

I grew up in Chicago and black schools are STILL segregated, just like most black neighborhoods– only NOW they are closing dozens of black schools and are pushing blacks out of “prime” areas because whites are tired of those long commutes to their jobs and entertainment in the central city.

That’s the MAIN reason Chicago will probably be selected for the “Obama Presidential Library” — to facilitate and justify a BLACK LAND GRAB via imminent domain — all in the name of a “first black” president

who frankly doesn’t have enough accomplishments to fill one building, let alone 40 ACRES of land (that’s what will be taken) unless you count all the dead bodies from drone attacks.

-Sister Trojan Pam

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/segregation-academies/

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@ Speak Out

I agree that the goal is to demolish the public school systems and turn them into corporate training camps (charter and voucher schools) where they can push a mind-numbing ciricculum designed to educate poor and working class students into meat for the corporate/military/prison complexes.

One other group of immigrants that excel educationally are the African immigrants that nobody talks about. Nigerians, in particular, have a higher percentage- population wise — of college degrees than the average american, percentage-wise.

In fact, in Britain two Nigerian siblings were dubbed the “smartest kids in Britain” after they demonstrated a genius level of mathematical ability

Unfortunately, thanks to the white supremacist media, whenever someone hears the word “Nigerian” they automatically associate it with overseas scams and corruption.

White supremacy is a 24-7, well-oiled propaganda machine and they know they better keep their feet on the necks of blacks and African students or all hell might break loose.

-Sister Trojan Pam

Savant's Words

http://www.freedomarchives.org/Documents/Finder/Black%20Liberation%20Disk/Black%20Power!/SugahData/Journals/Liberator.S.pdf


One sociologist, I believe Orlando Patterson, said that Blacks are extraordinarily economically challenged, and yet perhaps the most creative force in the popular culture of America, if not the world. Certainly, in music the cultural creativity of our people is virtually beyond debate. Moreover, it is from the MASSES of Black people in America that most of our creativity arises. Spirituals, gospel, blues, jazz, rhythm 'n blues, soul, neo-soul and hip hop are mainly the cultural creations of the Black masses--those "low class, ignorant ghetto Negroes" who so many whites (and some privileged Blacks) are so contemptuous of. It was also their spiritual strength which sustained the freedom Movement which won the rights so many of us now take for granted, and which a threatened by racist and reactionary forces in US society (including the Supine Court). Hats off to the creative Black masses. May you rise up, live and prosper, my beloved brothers and sisters.

-Savant

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Duh, Kip's point is so SIMPLE it's amazing that even you fail to see it. Of course, no one should do crimes. The point is that when a white does it, he or she alone are held liable. But a Black does it, the whole PEOPLE are held responsible. Moreover, the white racist perceptions are so deep that Blacks are even perceived to be guilty whether they are or not. I know that blacks of your sort, those utterly enamored of whiteness don't like to hear this. But the word for what Kip is talking about is called WHITE RACISM. It's deeply rooted it affects even the perceptions of many Black people themselves.

-Savant

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LOL! This is another example of Freddy's obtuseness. He says I'd be afraid to venture North St. Louis. Have anyone SEEN any episodes of THE WIRE? I GREW UP in those parts of Baltimore. I even KNOW some of the persons in the episode who actually are from parts of East Bmore where I grew up, and where most of my kindred in Bmore still live. And that fool thinks I'm afraid of St. Louis. I've "ventured " into southside Chicago. I've venture into Harlem more than once. I've lived in North and West Philly with relatives. And he thinks I'm afraid of St. Louis? What a stupid goose he is. Now he quotes some whites who say that their prejudices began to diminish when they met Blacks in their clubs, on their own grounds. That's commendable if true. A progressive transformation of society will be much more difficult if not impossible unless SOME whites are on board. Fortunately, some are. White racism has been perhaps the greatest obstacle not only to the achievement of racial justice, but for the achievement of economic justice. I'm even pleased that an old Fox News clown that Bill O'Reilly received a stunning discovery when he entered an Afro-American restaurant, when he saw the place was clean, that we use forks and spoons, and that we actually sit at tables rather swinging from chandeliers. Nonetheless, all the progress in white consciousness hasn't prevented fascist pig cops from slaying black men, women and children and being exonerated by reactionary courts. It has stopped cops in Baltimore from brutalizing and even killing Blacks (children included) be they Black Americans, West Indians or Africans. West Indians and Africans have been killed by fascist pig cops in NYC, Bmore, Philly, Chicago, Atlanta, Washington, D.C and numerous other places. Abner Louima's Haitian background didn't stop NYC pig cops from violated him with a broomstick. Amadou Diallo's African background didn't stop pigs from shooting him and turning his body into swiss cheese with all those shots. If I remember correctly, the cops got off after committing those atrocities also. So, it is refreshing to know that some whites are re-appraising their attitudes towards Blacks. What they need to see is that anti-Black racism which sanction police violence against communities of color also helps to keep poor and working class whites in subjection as well. And it is especially those whites who move from a re-evaluation of their attitudes, or even sympathy for the Black struggle, to SOLIDARITY in our COMMON struggle against racism, police terror, poverty and exploitation, who most deserve to be honored. I would say of them, in the words of Tom Paine, they "deserve the love and thanks of man and woman."

-Savant
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Interestingly enough, I've come across a good number of Black and Hispanic officers have complained about the de facto and even UNDISGUISED racism within the official bureaucracy of many big city police. I know of some who've gotten in trouble for attempted to expose or file complaints about police racist misconduct--abuses that are a matter of POLICY---not merely the "attitudes" or misconduct of a bad or "rogue" cop here or there.
Of course, Black cops and Latin cops CAN and often do play a repressive role. We forget that even in South Africa during the late 80s, about 40% of the police in that monstrous regime were Black Africans--which didn't make the system less racist any more than Jewish capos made Nazi system less racist and anti-Semitic.
People have to reject the silly notions (like Freddy's) that racism is just a "state of mind", or that (as Nikki naively believes) police abuse is a matter of "good" cops as against "bad" cops. Things are not that simple. The police as an INSTITUTION is severely flawed (as are most other major institutions in our society), and what's needed is a STRUCTURAL analysis of the institution and measures informed by that re-appraisal and analysis. At least the beginnings of such a new approach is evident among young people in the new insurgencies and movements against police brutality and repression.

-Savant


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I wouldn't pay much attention to people like Mekushe. He may or may not even be an African, and the whole purpose of this thread is to start a quarrel between Africans and American Blacks. Also, I have worked with Blacks from Africa, and worked with some in advancing the struggle against Apartheid. Don't be so naïve as to believe that Africans as whole share his prejudices.

-Savant

X: Malcolm's Final Years

Sister Trojan Pam's New Words in 2015

@ Alicia

I believe part of the reason is black people do not understand the system we are in and we have not overcome our slave mindset.

Another reason is we talk big game about black empowerment but most of us do not support other black people OR black businesses UNLESS it involves alcohol (bars) and eating (storefront restaurants).

As far as having more black media that takes MONEY from SPONSORS and most of us are not in a position to advertise on black media because

1) we squander what little resources we have on material things and bad hobbies, like gambling, drugging, and lottery playing
2) we do not own enough black businesses to support even ONE TV network as the sponsors of it. There are more black churches in america than black businesses.
3) we do not like each other enough to TRULY support black entrepreneurial efforts. In fact, we are more likely to sabotage it due to our own insecurities and jealousies and anti-blackness

Now, some will think my answer is harsh but can they honestly say that black people support each other? I believe there are those who do but they are NOT the majority

Until we reduce/eliminate our anti-blackness nothing will change for us.

-Trojan Pam

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@ Courtney H.

I agree, we are under relentless attack and I think we are FEELING it but instead of moving us to protect our communities and families it has driven us DEEPER into DENIAL and anti-blackness, as though, by throwing each other under the white bus, we will somehow be provided more safety.

I also heard that one of the states (I forget which) is proposing legislation to take food stamps from anyone who is using drugs. What people fail to think about (in my opinion) is WHO is BRINGING the drugs into our communities? And frankly, I strongly suspect that if being drug-free was a requirement for employment or benefits that the House AND the Senate and the White House, and most state and city legislature bodies and corporate offices would be be vacant.

This entire nation is drug addicted, be it alcohol, reefer, hard drugs, prescription drugs or sexual addictions and perversions. And the majority of people who would suffer from a loss of food stamps are CHILDREN.

We have to be very, very suspicious of any blanket attacks on poor people, because the REAL target is ALWAYS us. Always. And to see so many black people, many of who, I bet are struggling with their own mental issues, come down so hard on drug-addicted soon-to-be mothers who could be facing hard time for an illness, is frankly, sickening.

Thanks for providing the links, I’ll check them out.

-Trojan Pam

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@ Kushite Prince

I heard about it and it is just more brainwashed “black celebrities” being used to promote more ant-blackness.

That is why I maintain that the WORST BLACK ROLE MODELS are black people in the public eye. That includes black POLITICIANS (many of who throw black people under the bus on a regular basis and you know who I’m talking about), and black ENTERTAINERS who pretty much include the first category.

My premise is ANYTHING a black person is given a mike and speaks into a camera nine time of nine and a half

they are talking bad about another black person OR black people in general.

I want all of you to think about the black people who have been given mikes and camera time on mainstream media and listen to what they are saying WHEN they are talking about black people.

you will find that most of the time it is negative.

we need to stop uplifting black politicians, preachers and entertainers to our children before we produce ANOTHER generation of low-self-esteemed, anti-black and self-hating black people.

-Trojan Pam


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@ Timothy

You’re right. For me neo liberal and neo conservative all amount to the SAME thing, only one type of deception is preferred over another and it forces the oppressed populations to “choose”

There is only one kind of political system and that is the system of white supremacy and because most black people do not know this, they fall for the voting schemes and “first black” this and that, thinking we are making a “change”

remember that slogan from the 2008 Presidential campaign? “Change you can believe in” ?

The only thing that changed were the FACES and COMPLEXIONS of the puppets on the stage.

And this Little League team of talented black boys are getting their first tastes of what it means to be black under a system of white supremacy despite all the black people in high places with fancy “titles”

-Trojan Pam

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@ Alicia

Thanks for sharing your observations. I have noticed this, too, that the pressure on blacks in corporate environments is to be anti-black and that includes the way black males and females interact with each other.

White people are ALWAYS watching and I KNOW most black people can feel this scrutiny whether we admit it or not. Our behavior changes whenever they come around and we need to be honest about this

Add the braintrashing by the media that makes it appear that black males are better off without black females and vice versa and you have the perfect recipe for massive anti-blackness

which is what we see happening today.

-Trojan Pam

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@ Yolee

I completely understand why BW would consider dating non-black males given the current state of BM/BF relationships

However, the purpose of my blog is to help bring black people TOGETHER not to find new ways and rationalizations to drive us apart.

Whether we like it or not our SURVIVAL as individuals depends on our STRENGTH as a GROUP

why do you think the white supremacy system is working overtime to drive us apart? To convince us to date and marry and sex anybody but another black person? to demonize dark skinned black females so the black male will not want to continue his genotype and literally will breed himself out of existence?

Why do you think this is happening at the same time oppression is increasing against black people? Rising unemployment, police brutality, closing black schools and pushing black people out of areas we have lived in for decades?

And yet our response is to separate ourselves even further? And who will we ask to save us?

Hispanics? Asians? Indians? Whites?

they are going to TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE UNITY and they will NEVER UPLIFT ANOTHER GROUP ABOVE THEIR OWN

and that is one reason they are building economic bases right here in america while black people are building…

Multimillion-dollar CHURCHES to grandstand in

Even though we can’t employ ourselves and have few viable businesses that can hire other black people

I don’t know what else to tell you…

-Trojan Pam
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@ Shanequa

I agree

and this is where I weigh in as far as what black women CAN and SHOULD do.

first, accept we can’t control anyone but ourselves. we can’t make men love us but we can do more to learn to love ourselves.

you are absolutely right. Black females MAKE and BREAK many a black male (and female’s) career because WE are the ones who turn BM into “sex symbols”

white women turn their OWN white male stars into their sex symbols. They have NEVER raised a black male to the level of a Tom Cruise or Richard Gere or George Clooney sex symbol status. NEVER.

and if it wasn’t for the black female fans supporting their careers most black male entertainers, especially actors would be working in an office somewhere

we must learn to exercise what power we have and that is the POWER OF NOT SPENDING OUR MONEY AND TIME WHERE IT IS NOT RESPECTED OR APPRECIATED>

I do NOT support many black entertainers who degrade and dismiss us– and that includes black female entertainers.

Because if we continue to support them, it is the same thing as saying we don’t care about being respected.

I hope everyone reading this post will stay away from Will SMith’s new movie. I mean, why would a conscious black male or female want to trash their brains with those images? I don’t get it.

-Trojan Pam



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@ The OriginalBlackWoman13

I have to admit this is a huge part of my frustration

that the first person most black males — young AND old turn to when in need are black females — momma, grandmomma, sister, auntie, the neighbor down the block, girlfriend, wife, etc

While the white, Asian, and other non-black females could care less about the collective struggles of black males. They might care about the one they’re sleeping with as long as he giving them sex but even when it comes to the children they have with black males, I have CONSISTENTLY seen a detachment regarding those children.

In fact, on one of the black reality TV shows, one of the women with a white mother said her mother had NEVER ONCE said she loved her.

My point is, black females are often taken for granted and used shamelessly by some of the same black males who profess their love of “variety” AKA “non-black females”

but when that ship has sailed and moved on without them, who do they come running back to looking for help, or a shoulder to lean on?

black females.

I have seen this time and time and time and time again and am fast moving toward the point where I think we– as black females — will have to be more selective about those we offer aid and comfort to.

-Trojan Pam


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@ Mariama

It is all we know. We were taken from everything that made us a people. Our language, history, culture, religion, food, even our children and families were stripped from us and this condition lasted over 400 YEARS.

At the end of the most horrific and LONGEST human HOLOCAUST in recent history, we were forced into total dependency after slavery was allegedly abolished (it wasn’t)

Every attempt we’ve made to have some independence has been sabotaged (remember ‘Black Wall Street’? and the Black Codes and Jim Crow and legalized segregation?

And after we rose up as a population and said “Enough!” during the 60s instead of real equality we were forced fed integration and told that the only way we could be “equal” was to imitate and assimilate with whites and we bought it because we didn’t know that it would make independence and self-sufficiency impossible to achieve — but our enemies knew and that’s why they sold us on integration because the most skilled warriors keep their friends close and their enemies CLOSER

Even as I write these blog posts I realize I am sick, too, and that I’m still fighting the desire to get that white validation and approval because it was programmed into my head from the time I was a small child. So, I do understand why so many are confused but unfortunately, our survival depends on us breaking the chains of white validation before we can do anything that even comes close to respecting ourselves as black people.

-Trojan Pam

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@ TrojanPam

You mentioned in a previous comment about a biracial woman who said that she was never told I love you by her white mother. That was Claudia Jordan of Real Housewives of Atlanta. I would like to add that she also said that her BLACK GRANDMOTHER always told her that she loved her. Now that’s something, ain’t it. It just demonstrates that naturally motherly instinct that Black Women can have for any child. I often wonder about these white women’s ability to TRUELY love these half black, quarter black, etc children and from what I and many others such as yourself observed the answer is a resounding NO!. I remember I read an interesting article several years ago (I wish I could find it) in which a white woman with a half black daughter admitted that the child was “alien” to her. I’ve heard of (and I personally know some) white women leaving a Black husband and half Black children to marry a white man, have a white child, and re-enter her safe, comfortable white world. Black males who are or who are thinking about IR don’t consider these things, as I and others said above they think with their penis and not with their brains, and I guess some regret it later. smdh.

-Sister TheOriginalBlackWoman13


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@ TheOriginalBlackWoman13

Claudia Jordan did say it and I’ve heard it in many different ways from many “black” people with a white parent, who have expressed some form of disconnect with that white parent. I’ve heard it from blacks who were adopted by whites and I suspect it is more common than we think AND that their parents often times are still practicing racism against other blacks outside (and sometimes inside) the home.

And one thing I find curious is a lot of white females who have a fixation on black males (penises) exhibit a lot of hostility AND jealousy towards black females. Now, if this white female does NOT like black females, what happens when she has a daughter with a black male? The same for white males who have a fixation on black females but do not like or trust black males and they have a son with a black female?

We need to THINK HARD before we have children with someone outside or our own ethnic group

-Sister Trojan Pam

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@ Kushite Prince

Other than pretending you’re a homosexual (which I wouldn’t recommend), I have a friend (actually an ex-boyfriend) who had a similar problem with a WW who kept flirting with him and coming into his office and he said he knew the white men (including his bosses) were watching what he did.

So, he said he always made sure that his office door stayed open whenever she walked in. And he never spent too much time being too friendly with the white females at work. Another black male, also a lawyer, obviously watched too much TV and believed too much hype about how much WW love them some BM

because he made a play for his white female boss and she accused him of sexually harassing her and they fired him.

My friend didn’t stay long after that but he said he watched them eventually fire every black male attorney who worked there and that few understood the dynamics of racism in the workplace and believed the nonsense they saw on TV about “race relations.” He said there are NO black male attorneys now in that entire office.

I remember a black male years ago, married with a couple of kids, who got a new job then actually took a white female to an office party when everyone KNEW he was married to a black woman, I think, because he thought it would make him look “better” to the white people at his job. (????)

Shortly after that, they fired him.

I know another black male who got caught up with a white female while they were training for a government job and I would watch her prance around with tight clothing (she was very attractive) and all the white guys would be looking at her and then she decided she was going after this black male

and even though I didn’t know JACK about how racism REALLY worked, I understood or thought I understood what her game was. She was USING him to get the white guys’ goat, to flaunt her black “lover” (I don’t know if they got that far) in front of the white bulls.

Well, guess what? HE GOT FIRED and SHE DIDN’T. and no one can tell me she didn’t know she was jeopardizing that black male’s job. Of course she knew, she just didn’t CARE and he didn’t know what hit him or maybe he did, who knows?

Last story, I had a male friend who said his own white male bosses put pressure on him to sleep with a white female employee at a company function where everyone was drinking even though he was a married man. He said after he refused to “hook up” with her, he knew his days were numbered at that company and he left. It’s as though they wanted him to prove some kind of stereotype that they would probably hold over his head later OR they just wanted to watch him “do it’ — I don’t know.

That’s another thing. I just saw a commercial for Burlington Coat Factory where a black male was shopping with his white woman and I thought, wow, they doing this more, showing BM with WW in TV commercials even more than they show BM with BW (!) OR it will be a BM socializing and eating with nothing but white people.

and so I see another reason they are doing this — to redirect the growing white male RAGE over the economy to all these BM who are shown sexing WW. Have we really gotten so clueless that we think this is something white people approve of? Let me assure you, MOST DON’T. And for a white male with a daughter, a black boyfriend is one of his worst fears.

So when he’s wearing a BADGE and a GUN or he’s sitting behind the employment desk deciding WHO gets a job–guess what? He might decide to take his revenge. Or the WM without a job whose mad at the world can choose a target for his rage. Black males better wake the HELL up, soon, it will NOT BE SAFE to flaunt their white girlfriends in front of certain people. (and I believe the secret rise in LYNCHINGS may be related to what I’m saying)

My advice is to be cordial, keep your distance, socialize as little as possible after office hours, don’t share any personal information and if pushed, tell them you’re engaged to be married.

And be prepared if it gets bad enough to have a Plan B.

-Trojan Pam
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@ Providence

Absolutely, we are in a spiritual war and we have been blinded by false religions.

Black people are still practicing the same slave religion in the same manner that the white slave owners taught us and what was the purpose of teaching us what they taught us?

to MAKE US SUBMIT TO BEING SLAVES with the hope of a better day…AFTER WE DIED…while the same slave owners, armed with a Bible and a whip, taught us to worship God and his son in his OWN IMAGE — while he AND his wife USED VIOLENCE AND TERROR TO keep us in line while they fattened their pockets off our blood sweat and tears which to this day has BUILT THE WEALTH OF WESTERN WHITE WORLD.

And to this day, a lot of black churches still have a white Jesus on their walls which is the same thing as believing that if Jesus is white, so is GOD.

Malcolm X said it best: “So you call for the same God he calls for. When he’s putting a rope around your neck and he calls for God and you call for God and you wonder why the one you call on never answers.”

I believe in God, but I do NOT believe in pimps masquerading as preachers, or using ATMs in pews, or pimp-preachers asking for credit reports to join a church or to see the tax returns so they can determine how much the congregation can afford to pay — and YES, this is happening in some black churches, including condoning homosexual “marriages” when their OWN BIBLE condemns the practice.

And check this, married Bishop Long in Atlanta was KNOWN to molest young black boys in his church YET his congregation put their NEED to BELONG TO A SOCIAL CLUB ABOVE THE WELFARE OF THEIR BLACK BOYS.

This is SPIRITUAL WARFARE in a white supremacy system and we are LOSING THE BATTLE because we do NOT WANT TO WIN BAD ENOUGH

-Trojan Pam

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Amen Ms. Pam. We are a THREAT — otherwise disguised by the world as a people who deserve to be treated as scum. Or as the “mules of the earth”. Whatever. Nobody goes through the lengths the white man has to deceive the whole world into believing he is the creator when in fact he’s the LAST man to be civilized on this earth. Who was the first? That’s right. And we’ll be the last ones standing too. They’ve devised all kinds of schemes to destabilize and eventually exterminate Black populations everywhere, but the white man’s devices just won’t work. What’s that song by Bebe’s kids, “we don’t die we multiplyyyyy” lol. Just as the Hebrews did in Egypt — nothing has changed. But yeah, our children need to be taught of their true origins looong before their ancestors came to these shores. They need to also be taught that white people mutated from the Black offspring of Black Adam and Black Eve. The scientific and historical community know this truth isn’t even up for debate, but for obvious reasons, this information doesn’t trickle into the academic or theological sphere. As it may well be — we can’t expect the system of white supremacy (academia, media, religion, etc) to provide us anything useful or accurate about ourselves. The information is too damning. Nonetheless, we need to take charge and be fierce custodians of our OWN history, and pass this knowledge down to our children. Knowing and understanding our true and rich past, spanning every corner of this planet, is KEY to our collective self-actualization, self-pride and self-preservation.

-Sister Providence

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Pam,
Thank you for writing such an honest post as well as providing accurate observations regarding the IR relationships between black and non-black individuals particularly what the offspring of said relationships experience. As a direct result of such a relationship, I can honestly say your observations hit the mark and were everything I would have noted as well. I really wish people were more honest. For my own experience, I’ve had to heal myself. I’ve had to realize that being black, part-black, and/or just classified as black in this system I will face 24/7 terrorism not only from white people, but also from non-white/non-black people. I understand too now that Chinese people will never hire me or accept me into their group. Nor do I need their acceptance because they will never give me validation or my own self worth.

I did want to piggy back on what you said in one of your previous comments regarding the difficulty “mixed race” people may have. For me the sense of alienation and abandonment from my parents especially has truly stifled and crippled my development. I’ve sought out counseling and therapy for my issues ( identity disorder) to no avail.

The propaganda spewed about IR relationships to be the panacea to racism is completely inaccurate. If things continue to go as is, the U.S. will be looking a lot like Brazil. I feel many mixed people go on tangents about how they are forced to choose. Or how they should have the right to self identify. Even feeling some sort of obligation to embrace both sides is incredibly dangerous. I feel like if a person embraces both sides they may make excuses for the side that is oppressing them and may even endure such abuse and mistreatment because of an obligation to a parent who never cared about the child in the first place.

I’ve tried to do that in the past -to embrace both sides- and have come to the conclusion that everyone ostracizes black people. I’ve stopped wasting my time explaining anything to anyone. People seem to have selective amnesia and forget anyway. The stereotypes, people’s blatant disregard for facts have convinced me to resign myself to just exist as I am for I have no control over what others think of me, nor could I prove anything to them otherwise. There is no self identifying, no actions that I can do to escape this condition. The question to me has always been that my suffering was because I couldn’t escape myself. I couldn’t run away from who I was or the reflection in the mirror.

In many ways mixed people (if one considers them an entirely different group) I think have parallels to black people. History shows it. The RWS framework at its core is much the same as it was hundreds of years ago. Analyzing history, I believe many mixed race people would realize 1) they are being duped 2) they will be used as pawns against black people. For instance, could people actually see the slaves saying well I’m not black therefore I’m not a slave. No. Of course not because the categories were controlled by white people. In my opinion, the whole point of the categories is to distribute resources and power to a certain group of people. I went to this lecture last week and the presenter even said freed blacks could not escape the stigma of being a slave, so they had to walk with their freedom papers. Everyone assumed their condition by their appearance. Hmm. . not much has changed, has it?

Please correct me if I’m confused or am talking crazy. Also I want to say thanks to others who have brought up great points and information.


-Sister kowada

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@ Kowaba

Good to hear from you, and no, I don’t think you’re talking crazy. I think it’s natural to have some confusion about an artificially designed system that was created for ONLY ONE PURPOSE: to practice racism/white supremacy by confusing non-white people.

because when you think about it, aren’t most black people in the U.S. “mixed?”
and what about the white people who have a mixture of Indian and African blood, who tan easily, who have dark eyes and hair, and sometimes wavy and curly and frizzy hair? The odds are they are “mixed” too.

White supremacists have used the skin color scheme to keep non-whites at each other’s throats. And the sad thing is most don’t even question it, and that’s something I don’t understand. How can you not question insanity? How can I be “black” when I look white? And who made up the names ‘black, yellow, red, brown, green and orange people?

It’s insanity

and as far as a child who is born to two different groups, I have never met one that didn’t have major problems regarding their ethnicity. I have heard many stories about not feeling loved, not being accepted, being made fun of for looking more black than white, etc. I know of black people with a white parent (usually the mother) who said they were called ‘n_____’ by their mother and told to stop acting like a n_____.

I think it is IMPOSSIBLE that a person who is a racist is NOT going to harbor some racist feelings when they have a non-white or black child. Impossible. And people need to stop being so naive pretending that having a child means you MUST love them. It doesn’t mean any such thing. I do feel that the racist may have an “attachment” to the child but not love in the way they would love a white child.

I remember reading a long time ago when I was about 8 or 9 years old, this white female admitting that when she saw a black child she didn’t feel that sense of maternal instinct that she felt with a white child, even a strange white child and I remember thinking, wow, that’s kinda scary, like she didn’t see black kids as fully human. But as I got older I understood that was an honest moment for her and for me and we need MORE of those ‘moments’ not less

Let’s stop pretending. That should be the New Year’s resolution for everyone on this planet, especially black people. Let’s start telling the truth and stop acting like life is some TV talk show where we should only say the things that are politically correct (another way of saying I’m saying what I think I should say)

And I have read emails from BM who said after having a child with a white female she didn’t want them around the child.

Now, of course, these problems aren’t limited to any one group, but I have seen so many conflicted people of mixed parentage that it’s hard for me to understand how a black and a white or a black and any other non-black can come together and decide to make a child just because he or she will be “cute” and totally ignore the effect this will have on that child.

And yes, mixed people are used against their black brethren everywhere in the world, from Brazil to Africa to the U.S.

And we have a prime example right there in the White House, and if black people don’t see that by now, I don’t know what to tell them.

-Sister Trojan Pam

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@ Alicia

Interracial sex is a HUGE part of the issue. That is why this blog is called RACISM IS WHITE SUPREMACY.

What do we think that means? That black people are under a system of white domination which makes our lives AND our relationships very difficult.

If you believe the above is true, how can having sex with a white person who BENEFITS from your oppression help FREE you from your oppression?

In fact, what we are doing when we have sex with whites under the system of white domination we are making that system STRONGER and that is why the white media promotes sex between blacks and whites ALL while increasing the mistreatment of black people.

Try to imagine you are in a war with another group and they are winning the war.

Would a SANE group of people have sex with the same people who are waging war on them and expect to win the war? Of course not.

The problem, as I see it is too many black people are uncomfortable with taking a firm stand against racism other than to just “talk” about it.

But when it comes to making personal sacrifices–even something as small as staying out of the wrong beds–we balk and start to backpedal. We don’t want to do the work.

And I’m not addressing this at you personally but in my experience as soon as someone asks black people to DO something different OR make any kind of sacrifice, like not going to see a movie that degrades us, many of us suddenly lose interest.

And I’m not excluding myself because I am definitely NOT doing all I can do to fight this problem.

But the one thing I know will NOT help is REWARDING white people with my precious body (sex) while the system of white oppression still exists. I know that much.

I have watched many, many black people do the interracial “thing” and become more confused, more SELF-HATING and more contemptuous of OTHER black people–and I have seen very few exceptions.

In addition, the offspring of these relationships are usually confused and conflicted over their identity, for example, Tiger Woods, who has a non-white (Asian) mother and he apparently wants NOTHING to do with his black side or with black women. He’s not even interested in ASIAN women

I know of a young “black” female with an Asian mother and a black father who views black people as “aliens”

which says to me that black people must be careful NOT to be naive about dating and marrying other “non-whites”

Hispanic and Asian and Indian etc communities do NOT welcome black people as one of their own. They do NOT support our businesses and do NOT join in our fights against white oppression, so what kind of “unity” can we build with them? Not much, I suspect.

Yet we tell ourselves we can date whoever we want and still effectively eliminate our oppression? I must be missing something…

Black people today are engaging in more interracial sex openly than at any time in our history YET we are losing ground and own fewer businesses and produce fewer marriages and families than we did DURING segregation when interracial sex was strongly discouraged.

That should TELL us something, I would think

You mentioned something about “losing consciousness” but how is it possible to hold on to any real sense of consciousness if black people are “talking black” and “sleeping white?” And in a society where “white beauty” is the standard for ALL men, including black men, how can the black female expect to operate on a level playing field? Due to the economic and educational and political and sexual wars being waged against us, of course we’re going to have more dysfunctional families, which includes young black females making bad choices due to a poor living environment, poor role modeling, horrible TV images and being made to feel inadequate as girls and women.

So, we’ll have to agree to disagree because I wholeheartedly believe that there IS something wrong with black people being so “open” to dating outside their race WHILE AT THE SAME TIME bemoaning the lack of black unity. It doesn’t make sense to me and seems like a gross contradiction

Of course, black people have the right to date whoever just like we have the right to jump off a cliff

however, when WE hit rock bottom we need to remember that we made the CHOICE to do it.

-Trojan Pam

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