Friday, February 25, 2011

Thoughts on Revolution, etc.

Savant wrote:

Well, King was clearly impressed with Gandhi's capacity to lead a nonviolent movment against British imperialism. I'm not sure how much King was philosophically influenced by Gandhi. From my study of some his work, and works of a few King scholars, it appears that certain trends in Christian theology, Western philosophy and the Black intellectual tradition may have had a deepr influence. But there was clearly some Gandhian ideology which King would have read through a Christian perspective rather than the Hindu tradition which would have been native to Gandhi.
There was apparently an informal community or climate of ideas which some scholars called "Black Gandhism" which may have had an influrence.
Howard University president/scholar Mordecai Johnson apparently aroused King's interest in Gandhi due to certain lectures on Gandhi which King heard while he was still a grad student in Philosophy & Theology.
But I tend to agree with Dr. Rufus Burrows, Jr.(author of GOD AND HUMAN DIGNITY:PERSONALISM, THEOLOGY & ETHICS OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR) that the homespun Social Gospel & Personalism of southern Black Christianity as well as systematic Personalist philosophies and social Gospel theologies at Boston University, had more of an influence.
Also, both King and Gandhi were apparently influenced by the pacifist thought of Leo Tolstoy and the famous essay on "Civil Disobedience" by Henry David Thoreau.
And like other Black intellectuals King was deeply inspired by anticolonial movements in Africa and Asia which were throwing off the shackles of colonialist exploitation. Hence his eager visits to Ghana to celebrate its independence under the leadershop of Kwame Nkrumah, and to India to meet some of the men who worked to win India's independence from England.
But with regard to Gandhi, King may have said it best (to the extent I can remember his words without having the text at hand): Jesus was author of the philosophy or PRINCIPLES of nonviolence, while Gandhi was the tactician which showed how it might WORK.
Interesting read :)

MLK & Ghandi were smart men who used other means (examples above)
to fight against tyranny & oppression.
Good thread

-Ms_Deputy

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Savant wrote:

As an educator--with about 80 Logic exams to grade. Yikes!---you're preaching to the choir when you advocate education. But I think we have to look at the ways in which the denial of a quality education to the masses---doubly so for the Black and Brown masses--is part of the process of social control and exploitation. Interestingly, a progressive white teacher mentioned to me (during a visit to Bmore by Bob Moses) that since about 65% of all available jobs in Baltimore are low income, low skill, and with little or no benefits or job security, it would not be in the interest of the ruling class to have the disinherited masses become well educated.
Yet the ideology which especially berates Blacks for lack of education fails to critique the system which denies or dumbs down education.
Perhaps one thing we can look at and consider supporting is the ALGEBRA PROJECT, founded by Bob Moses, and which has gotten the interest of a number of inner city kids in Bmore.
It involves students and their supporters to fight for the right to a QUALITY education as a HUMAN and CITIZENSHIP right.
Nonviolent revolution is also a movement of enlightenment against ignorance.
Also, progressive activists may wish to revisit some of the ideas from SNCC's FREEDOM SCHOOLS, or the Political education (acommpanying history, English, math) that were a part of the community programs of the Black Panther Party of the late 1960s.
We must begin to create new associations, institutions and a new community.
Isn't it interesting that the FBI was more fearful of the Pahther's free breakfast programs, educational programs and clinics than they ever were of the guns and leather jackets?
The Panther's "military" threat was the LEAST of the government's worries...but IDEAS are a differnt matter. And as Victor Hugo once wrote, "There's nothing in the world more powerful than an idea whose time has come."
Could it be that a democratic, COOPERATIVE society achieved by means of nonviolenct revolution is an idea whose time has come?
And, of all places, now seems to be spreading like wildfire in those largely MUSLIM countries which the West has come to see as so incorribly backward?
No kidding, its about the "ruling class" that is creating their own demise. There is something that is God-given in these so-called dienfranchised masses, that whatever they do they take it to another level!
Education is the foundation to a CIVILIZED society!(as you know)but when its coupled with slanted truths and outright lies, voila...the decline of a nation!!!*(more lies got to be told to cover up the previous one).* The Truth cannot be destroyed it HAS to come out, thus the awakening of a nation that is angry because they chose to be distracted with status and materialism.!
Thank God for the enlightenment from Carter G. Woodson who states that "memory is NOT intelligence. Makes one rethink what is "higher education" It definitely is NOT regurgitation AKA "verbal masturbation!"
Home schooling-great alternative*
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/09/133310978/in-co...

Of course its interesting but not suprising...Its sad that quite a few young AA children are not taught the contributions of the Black Panther movement, who ADVOCATED "SELF-RELIANCE" not waiting nor wanting govt. assistance and dared to defend themselves. No problem with that, but it is a problem when you show up this "supremacy myth" and yes, even progressives (some closet racists) will have to share the POWER! When a "people" have been telling lies for centuries the last thing they would want is to be shown that they are a LIAR!!!(Credibility lost) So it has to be maintained!
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All parents need to supplement their children's education with round-table talks and more reading like we had back in the day, which gave us critical thinking and problem-solving skills...add the elders to the table...(who lived IT), the insight you got, from what the media did not know or wouldn't portray...Awesome!
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Yes, it is time for nonviolent revolution (360 degrees) not concessions. With the western hand in it, it can't be good! Isn't this the result of their meddling in their affairs anyway?
The u.s. has to be an honest broker and respect sovereignty...which they don't, hence people uprising! I don't trust the u.s. stance on this situation and looking forward for the other shoe to drop. How in the Hell can you say you are for the people in wanting a democracy and its known that the u.s. supported these regimes "for all these years?" There certainly will be a "blowback" to the u.s. Some, not too many, know what happens when a country wants to "nationalize" THEIR resources!
And how backwards can they be for being the "cradle of civilization?" -their words.
The place where empires go to DIE (military strategy), now they won't be getting out of Afghanistan...withdrawl will be delayed. THE END
p.s. Remarks about education were at zew!

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The educational system generally in the USA is dysfunctional. I'm sure Baltimore is no exception.

I've taught in schools in inner-city, barrio and farmworker areas. Those students are NOT being well-served by the system. They were well-served by me because I made sure they were not given dumbed-down curriculum nor information biased ethnically or by class.

But the system doesn't like teachers like me...

-Barros Serrano

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I don't think that half-starved white women in Appalachia are being pampered or protected by their men. I don't think that working class white women in south Baltimore or south Boston--often tied to men who are abusers, drunkards or what have you--are being pampered or that their claims about oppression are bogus.
They're not being RACIALLY oppressed, but they endure CLASS oppression and sexist oppression inherent to patriarchy. The majority of whites --male or female--are not endowed with expensive houses or luxurious cars. That they are GENERALLY better off than we are, doesn't mean that they are not oppressed at all.
Most white women don't live like Paris Hilton, just as most of us don't live like Beyonce or Denzel Washington.

-Savant
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Well, the corporate media has been whitewashing and sanitizing Dr. King for decades now. Yet it is remarkable just how radical King actually was.
Most Americans have no idea of King's critique of capitalism and imperialism, or his conception of the interrelatedness of racism and economic exploitation. Few have any idea of how radical was his proposed Poor Peoples Campaign. As an undergrad I got a clue when I happened upon Dr. King's speech---made just a couple of months before his murder--which was called "Honoring Du Bois."
And all the research I've done since then makes it clear to me that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a REVOLUTIONARY....certainly no less revolutionary than Malcolm X or Ernesto "Che" Guevara. One doesn't have to advocate violence or be a Marxist-Leninist in order to be a revolutionary.
Dr. King was a nonviolent, anti-imperiaist revolutionary with a vision of a coooperative society.
So let it be! So let it be!

-Savant


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MLK was becoming a "radical" not because of crazy...He knew what he was dealing with!

When you want to use MLK..."don't pick and choose" passiveness...(being beat and still loving those who beat you).

MLK was evolving and knew what he was dealing with!
Do more research on the forgotten speeches and quotes of MLK!

And stop trying to "whitewash" his message!!!

I truly wonder why you don't talk about his speech after he came back from Africa...in which he advocated that Blacks should return to their homeland...OR the "elephant" in the room...Reparations...GTFOH...W ITH
"""YOUR PASSIVENESS"""

STUDY MLK and stop giving us the "watered down" version!

-Mz Brown


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Unique2 wrote:

Now how does any of what you've posted change the fact that all the most important black American leaders have been AA? Marcus Garvey had no influence over the civil rights movement, he was largely a failure and was never the dominar leader of his era the way Booker T. Washington, Frederick Douglass or MLK were.
Like I said before, Marcus Garvey was the Blackman who introduced Black nationalism in America, he also set up the first black shipping company.

First so-called Black president in America is half African half white.
First Black secretary of state, Colin Powell, Jamaican.
First man to introduce the term Black power in America, Stokley Carmichael was Trinidadian!
Fist man to start the NOI was WHITE!
Unique2 wrote:

the most important black American leaders have all been African-American.
I can see that you are not too bright, haven't we already established that this point is not an issue?
The most important Russian leaders have been Russian whites, the most important British leaders have been British Whites, the most Important Indian leaders have been Indians.... Do you see where this is going?... or do you need help with this, let me know if you need further clarification on this point!

Nothing you say will change the fact that there were black people who took part in the American struggle that had parents from outside of America and some, were themselves born outside of America.
I would expect the Majority of leaders there to of been Black American as it is in America, DUH...

Have you got it yet?...


-The Revolutionist


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Unique2 wrote:

Why are African-Americans better athletes than other blacks? Why are African-Americans better singers than other blacks? Why are African-Americans better dancers than other blacks? Why are African-Americans better entertainers than other blacks? Why have African-Americans made more contributions to the fields of science and technology than other blacks? Why have the world's black movers and shakers overwelmingly had a black American bloodline?
The above statement is probably one of the dumbest posts I have seen in a long time!

Every body knows that Jamaican Athletes are the best!..lol
Unique2 wrote:

Do you think it's fair to catagorize black Americans as equals with other blacks since they've achieved more(far more) under near impossible circumstances?(jim crow, segregation, the slave mentality, lynchings, having a minority status in a racist white society etc.)
The answer to this very stupid question is, no one anywhere in the world will see you as superior to anyone except you, reason being; there are 40 million Black Americans, living (for 400 years) in the wealthiest and most resourceful continent in the world and the best you can come up with is "you are better singers, dancers, entertainers, athletes and movers and shakers"!.. LMBAO... that is pretty shameful!!!...

Jamaica is the largest Caribbean Island with well under 3 million blacks living there and they have the best Athletes, plus they even manufacture there own cars there!...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3193275.s...

Only 2 Million Jamaicans, but still we have a Billionaire
Jamaican billionaire donates additional J$105 million to NCU
http://news.adventist.org/2008/02/jamaica-bil...

Our Scientists and professors are receiving awards from even your President (who is half Africa).
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/Clare-...
In fact the most celebrated black scientist is an African,(Philip Ameagwali) not Black American

Also, Jamaican Maroons defeated the British slave masters on many occasions; beat the British so bad, they had to give us our freedom and much land just to keep us from killing there asses!
In 1739-40, the British government in Jamaica recognized that it could not defeat the Maroons,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Maroon_War

If I was a jackass... like you...

...I would argue that Jamaicans are superior to other blacks because there is not many of us, but we have Achieved what we have not by "affirmative action, begging whites to allow us to integrate" or being under the white mans wings for 400 years like you have been, but by standing on our own two feet without having the white man as a security blanket!

However, I cannot argue Blacks from one country being superior over another as we are all coming from the same continent and all suffer our own tribulations, only a f___ clueless idiot would entertain such backward stupidity such as Black superior to Blacks!...LMBAO...

-The Revolutionist


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TruthbknownLDN wrote:

**********STANDING OVATION**********
Excellent post, until our people realise this then we will forever remain where we are.
LOL

No doubt it will fall on death ears though, we have folks amongst us who fail to see that even in Multi-cultural societies or even within multi-cultural religions we are still viewed and treated as second class citizens, even in the work place we are last to be promoted to the highest positions.

Scientists like DNA founder James Watson made comments that Africans are 'genetically inferior'
They even have use the "Bell curve" to try to prove that the black race is intellectually inferior... I have yet to see a Non-Black society where blacks are allowed to excel unchecked.

The black power movement was destroyed by the FBI;
Black unity is public enemy number one wrote:

In August 1967, the FBI initiated a covert action program -- COINTELPRO -- to disrupt and "neutralize" organizations which the Bureau characterized as "Black Nationalist Hate Groups." 1 The FBI memorandum expanding the program described its goals as:

1. Prevent a coalition of militant black nationalist groups....
2. Prevent the rise of a messiah who could unify and electrify the militant nationalist movement ... Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael and Elijah Muhammad all aspire to this position....
3. Prevent violence on the part of black nationalist groups....
4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining respectability by discrediting them....
5.... prevent the long-range growth of militant black nationalist organizations, especially among youth. 2
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/chur...

The white Authorities set out to destroy us long term and keep us in a powerless position, they actually saw black unity as a threat to their supremacist order... The document shows that the FBI pitted blacks against each other using some low-life methods...

When you read that document you realise that we as blacks have to be careful that we are not being pitted against each other by whites, because this happens to be their biggest weapon they use against us and always have!

I would rather die a threat to white supremacy than to live forever integrated within a Non-Black society that clearly view and treat us as though we are second class citizens, I still have some dignity and pride left!
Black unity is a must, we will always be at the bottom of the race pile until we learn this!

-The Revolutionist


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Unique2 wrote:

Are you really that delusional? Or are you just ignorant of American history? The overwelming majority of blacks in this country have always been the descendents of North American slaves and not voluntary black immigrants. So it's quite obvious African-American achievements owe there existence to African-Americans.
The individuals you've named simply joined organizations or movements that were already in existence, nothing to write about. Their influence wasn't so profound that black America couldn't have succeed, had they never existed.
All of the most important black leaders have been African-American. Huey P. Newton, Nat Turner, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., A. Phillip Randolph, Frederick Douglass, Gabril Prossor, Booker T. Washington, Harriet Tubman, the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, Medger Evers, Jesse Jackson, H. Rap Brown etc.
First of all, jackass.

Nat turner and Harriet Tubman were more African than American as both their Grandparents were from Ghana, in fact it is probably likely that those early slave rebels like Gabril Prossor had African grandparents also, and people like Frederick Douglas and Booker T washington were mixed race
So things were slightly easier for them.

The Nation of Islam was not started by an American, in fact it was not even started by a Black man, Fard Muhammed (a Polynesian) was Elijah Muhammad's teacher and founder of the NOI.

Elijah Muhammad started out by joining Marcus Garvey's UNIA Black Nationalist Movement in the 1920's.
Marcus Garvey was a Jamaican; he STARTED BLACK NATIONALISM in America which inspired the birth of the NOI, Black panthers, Civil rights and so on.

Conclusion Most of the slave rebels you mentioned would probably of classed themselves as African due to many of them remembering their African Grandparents... The Nation of Islam was started by a white man!

The Civil rights movement which contained groups such as NAACP, SNCC, CORE and SCLC drew influence from a Jamaican (Marcus Garvey) who first promoted Black Nationalism.
Out of this era was born the Black power movement, a term which was given to America by a Trinidadian (Kwame Ture) leader of the SNCC this term became the black panthers anthem!

-The Revolutionist


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Unique2 wrote:

All the most important black American leaders have been AA. Don't you have some questions to answer?
Are you mentally slow?.. No body ever disputed this; but this has nothing to do with what is being argued here.

This is what you had said;
Unique2 wrote:

Everything black Americans achieved, we've done ourselves.
"Everything you have achieved you have done yourselves".. This is a blatant lie!

I have showed you much evidence to prove this statement was B**L-S**T, I have more examples but I do not have all year to spend dwelling on one subject.
Black America has even had help from white people to achieve, e.g the Black panthers had help from a white group called the "White panthers" a far-left, anti-racist, White American political collective.
Also, the Civil rights movement had all kinds of people involved (including whites).
Blacks with Caribbean and African backgrounds were right there also.
Unique2 wrote:

The large majority of blacks who engaged in the revolutionary war(which lead to independence), civil war(which perserved the union & lead to emancipation) an civil rights movement were African-American.
The majority of American leaders could only possibly be American,(who else could they be?... you are the Majority, no one will argue against that point, However, we can easily argue that many important Americans have family backgrounds other than American... I have already proven this to you, Humble yourself and move on!

End of FCNG story!

-The Revolutionist

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BigsmokE8 wrote:
Black unity is not needed unity in humanity would be great though but racial unity is racist and a stupid concept. No benifits will be achived other than racial alienation.
You know something, it would be wonderful if all races of man could sit by the fire, eating marshmallows and singing Kumb-iar my lawd.

...Back to reality...

Racial unity is our only defence, we will never be looked upon as equal, the reason is mainly because we have come from a mass enslaved continent and we are Naturally different and have traits that other races have and always will view as a sign of racial inferiority.

The Christians came to Africa preaching "all men are equal in Gods eyes"... That didn't stop them from mass enslaving Africans from the 15th century onwards, slavery was even sanctioned by the Churches, Popes and their Kings and Queens.

The same with Islam, if all men were equal in Allah's eyes how come they thought nothing of enslaving others (especially Africans). The Quran sanctioned slavery and has set out rules for the treatment of slaves, Islam used slaves/human suffering to build their places of worship (Mosques)
http://www.historyofjihad.org/spain.html

The United States Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776, stated "All men are equal" but guess what? Blacks were not included; we were considered Sub-human and were viewed as property.

We can join with whatever race we wish and chant "we are all equal" but I am afraid we are never seen as any ones equal, look at how we are treated and portrayed worldwide, blacks are at the bottom of almost all societies, why?

You are only respected and viewed as an equal in this world if you can pose a threat to others and they are afraid to provoke you, otherwise you are seen as inferior, we are clearly viewed as an inferior race or have I missed something?

When we have a Black Ayatollah, Pope and President (real black president) at the same time, then there will be no need to worry about Black unity but until then we need to stand together and earn back the respect we lost.

-The Revolutionist

Not by Me: I don't believe in a black ayatollah or a Black pope, but I get the message.

By Timothy
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Unique2 wrote:

Discord among those of African descent is no more prevelent than among other races.
No one is disputing discord amongst other races, but they are all capable of putting aside differences if they need to and reach out to their kind throughout the world and work together together towards a common goal, this is what we have yet to show we are capable of!
Unique2 wrote:

Everything black Americans achieved, we've done ourselves.
I will believe this once you have proven it.

The black man who came up with the term "Black Power" was a Trinidadian born called Stokeley Carmichael later named Kwame Ture, he was the leader of the SCNN, An important civil rights activists and an Honorary Prime Minister of the Black Panther party.

It was even a Jamaican women that helped expand the Black panthers internationally!

Connie Matthews was a Jamaican woman who joined the Black Panther Party in Copenhagen when she was working for the UN. Matthews became the Panthers International Coordinator from 1968 – 1971. As International Coordinator, she used her contacts and skills to help disseminate the Panthers’ ideology in Europe, and facilitate trips abroad for Panther leaders to meet with supporters.

Louse Farrakhan is half jamaican with a mother from Saint Kits.

Raphael Morgan the first black orpahdox clergyman in America who resided all over the world was jamaican born.

In fact I could do this all day, it is pretty clear that you are (disturbingly) unaware that Blacks from the Carribean have been moving to America ever since the year 1619;
JAMAICAN AMERICANS wrote:

The documented history of black emigration from Jamaica and other Caribbean islands into the United States dates back to 1619 when 20 voluntary indentured workers arrived in Jamestown, Virginia, on a Dutch frigate. They lived and worked as "free persons" even when a Portuguese vessel arrived with the first shipload of blacks enslaved in 1629. Since Jamaica was a major way station and clearing house for slaves en route to North America, the history of Jamaican immigration in the United States is inseparably tied to slavery and post-emancipation migration.
http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Ha-La/Jamai...

Your theories of American Blacks "doing it all alone" is simply a story you dragged from out of your backside. If you knew even a little concerning your own black history you wouldn't suggest such shiite!
I really hope you do not demonstrate the general Black American mentality.

Civil War, Civil rights, Black panthers, Segregation, Lynchings or whatever, others have been there along the way contributing and suffering the same fates and fighting the same Wars, for the past 400 years!

-The Revolutionist

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the blacksmith wrote:

I understand what you're saying but for me, I've met open minded Africans who are willing to learn about other black cultures. That's why my beef is not with Africans but with a type of African just like I have beef with a type of Caribbean person or type of AA person.
True, however, I have found that the hate filled Africans will hide amongst the good intelligent ones, and when you reach out to those good African brothers and sisters the other African retards are always there to throw stones in your face, these particular Africans even humiliate their own people who are reaching out to us by calling them "slave wannabe's", can you believe these idiots?
So this is the only reason why i have been saying we should let them be to deal with their crap while we (who are linked through a common history) do our thing and maybe later on Pan Africansm may work who knows!
the blacksmith wrote:

The way I see it, it's time for blacks who are positive to stop giving destructive blacks a pass simply because they are black, African, etc... A destructive AA or African or Caribbean is no different to me than a white racist and I will treat them as such. We all should.
A wolf wearing sheep's skin does not make him one of the flock.
I agree with this, you would think that by now we would all have the good sense to ignore those amongst us who are just looking to create more division and hatred, but instead they are are the people who get the most attention!
Those preaching superiority of any kind from a given country, culture or even religion are all destructive people!

-The Revolutionist

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I get the picture - when you cannot refute the truth - just calls names or label a truthseeker. Or classic Barros - make it up as Barros post. Calling an African a Nazi is like calling a car an airplane. Africans has no history of mass slaughtering of Caucasians of the Jewish Faith. The African Halocaust gives any sane African compassionate. Nazis would slaughter Africans if they could. You are just a simple ignorant dude who thinks he is some revolutionary being. You are entertaining though explaining why I read your responses.

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Mikah3 wrote:

the concept of community first is NEVER obsolete.....
What are YOU smoking?
Oh, it's community FIRST is it now, suddenly you start to make more sense when called out!

You mentioned nothing about FIRST in your statement, in-fact you said "ANYTHING outside of your local community is (((fill in the blank)))"... It is you who is smoking, or drinking!
Mikah3 wrote:
A person should UNIFY with their family, extended family, friends and the community in which they live.
Because the above people will directly benefit them, making their lives fruitful.
Anything outside of that is (((fill in the blank))).
If our people still have this village mentality it is no wonder so many have a problem with blacks from outside their Neighbourhoods.

We have the internet nowadays so we can forge links with a multitude of people from around the world just as easily as we can unify with those in our family or Neighbourhoods, plus there are many benefits you will receive from communicating with people outside your hood, for a start it can broaden your horizon, open your mind and introduce you to different cultures, this can work wonders for tolerance and unity!

-The Revolutionist


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Unique2 wrote:

There's nothing African-Americans could gain from global black unity. Everything we've achieved, we've done ourselves.
You claimed to be intelligent, yet you make statements like the above!

I can easily prove the your statement to be of absolute nonsense. Many notable blacks who have helped put black U.S.A on the map have had parents from other black countries, example the most powerful black man to live in America was Colin Powell, his parents are Jamaican, People like Ben johnson, donavon bailey, Busta Rhymes, Biggie Smalls, Shaggy, Canibus, Sean kingston, Patrick Ewing, Heavy D, and Actor Lyriq Bent, all have jamaican parents, Christopher Reid (kid from kid n play) is half Jamaican and Alesha keys is also half Jamaica even your president is half African.

If you look throughout the history of America you see freedom fighters such as Marcus Garvey who is described as creating the first mass movement amongst American Blacks, he was Jamaican. I have only picked on a few people with Jamaican parents but there are millions of high achieving or famous Blacks in America who actually have or had parents that are from outside America.
Unique2 wrote:

The concept of pan-Africanism has never been popular with the masses in this country.
You had stated earlier that "black unity was dead" now here you are stating it was never born to begin with.
I agree somewhat, we are still not yet ready for the full blown Pan Africanism even after all this time but Black westerners can inspire each other as we have been doing throughout history all along, without realising it.
Unique2 wrote:

Our people are more domestic minded. Each black group must deal with it's own distinct set of issues.
People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Marcus Garvey, Nanny and Bob Marley, and other black Revolutionaries throughout the Black Western world were speaking to us all and not just concerning domestic issues, None of us Black fools listened to any of them, and look where it has landed black folks!
Unique2 wrote:

Also there're few races that unify solely and primarily around race. The Taiwanese detest the Chinese, white east Europeans dislike white Americans, Puerto Ricans dispise Mexicans, every Arab country has a border dispute with another Arab country etc.
Families are entitled to have their domestic squabbles, this makes us human, However, when it comes to banding together whites will all form alliances to protect themselves against Arab terrorists, Arabs will form alliance with each other to fight invading white infidels.
And as for the Chinese and Taiwanese;

Taiwan and China sign landmark trade agreement
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10442557

Don't let their little public squabbles allow you to think they hate each other,(they are not like us) they are all holding hands behind closed doors, just like in politics, politicians all hang out together in their societies even though they are in opposing parties!

E.G...

Britain and Germany have been rivals ever since World War II and Hitler, However they are not adverse to working together within the United nations to help towards a common cause also Britain's Royal family have German Roots!.. I can't even begin to imagine the Nigerian and Ghanian army fighting side by side to force invading Chinese armies out of Africa...


-The Revolutionist


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Carol wrote:

Put down the meth, crack, booze before you post...
WW have 99% of positive mainstream media coverage and you clowns can't take Bfs getting a little positive attention on a small message board.
You need to be preaching to them. HYPOCRITE!!!!! Tell them blah blah blah about all complexions are wonderful.
Take your lopsided head, logic and agenda elsewhere.
They don't want society to see a Beautiful BLACK WOMAN with a curvy thick body next to other women because then everyone will notice how defined the BLACK WOMAN'S BODY is compared to others and how a BLACK WOMAN would stand out the most when next to other women.

-Refined

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Savant wrote:

What has REVOLUTION to do with appeasing the oppressor? The latter day MLK was thinking in terms of fighting IMPERIALISM and CAPITALISM. He was drawing connections between racism and exploitation, and between the struggle against colonialism at home, the the struggle abroad.
At one level the issue of violence vs nonviolence is overly simplstic, but is also a question (at least in part) of METHODS.
At any rate, King wasn't slain because he appeased the oppressor. People who appease the oppressor (like Clarence Thomas) are rewarded.
Latter-day MLK how do you fight??? Knowing his stance on the "policies" of america?

Methods...what do you bring to the table knowing that you are the poster of this thread?

SSSSOOO...when a non-violent leader brings about "nonviolence" as a means to reform a society that is STEEPED...in violence...what do you EXPECT!!!???

-Mz Brown

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Savant wrote:

When you ponder only the obstacles and not the possibilities, you defeat yourself from the beginning. Human beings are capable of more than they know. And if everything is not possible, it is only in the STRUGGLE itself that we discover what is possible and what isn't. We must INVENT the revolution, not give ourselves all sorts of reasons why it can't happen. Every tyranny in history which people have sought to end seemed invincible at one time.
The power of American slaveholders seemed immovable. But it was moved. Many people thought that the seemingly impregnable "Militant South" was immovable. But in the 1950s & 60s it was moved.
Even if we considered armed revolutions, the king in France and other lands seemed invincible once. Yet the monarchy fell. Defiance of British rule in America seemed madness to many, as Britain was then the mightiest nation on earth. Imagine Bolivia taking on the USA...or better imagine Vietnam defying America? Impossible? No more so said leaders of the Vietnamese Revolution than your Washington or Jefferson defying England.
I want to suggest that conditions may be ripe, or ripening, for a global revolution against racial, class, and patriarchal oppression; against social and political tyranny. And maybe for the first time in history a NONVIOLENT global revolution is possible.
I don't say that I KNOW this to be the case any more than the insurgents of 1776, or the defiant community in Montgomery in 1955, could be certain of victory. But if we don't make the effort we defeat ourselves before we start.
And if everyone is not "down" for the revolution, than let's begin uniting with all who are.
I am with you on revolution Savant, especially as an entrepreneur who is not averse to risk and understands how this world really works, but HOW are you going to get over the obstacles I'd mentioned to realise these possiblities?
There's a documentary I watched where a conspiracy 'buff' said this in reference to the elite, "Progress is good...controlled progress is better."
Also in G.Edward Griffin's doc,- The Capitalist Conspiracy - Stokely, and other revolutionaries at the time, was quoted as saying that the elite that people seemed to be against was funding the revolution. He said when he found out how this was happening he was quickly removed from SNCC. All am saying is people cannot realise these possibilities or even fathom revolution if they don't know how badly they are being fucked in the first place...
Have a good one brotha. or as we say in swahili 'Siku Njema'.

-Yamato_Kev


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There's an old saying that we should THINK globally while acting locally. We can support progressive initiatives like Bob Moses' Algebra Project. We can support progressive organizations of women in our community. If they don't exist,create them. One has work where one is, but not be limited to where one is.
Some of my colleagues and I are doing some work to help understand and clarify the meaning of the Middle East revolt for our own struggles here. Progressive community associations, unions, churches can be sites where one can act and promote the ideal of a radically democratic, nonviolent cooperative society.
At some point young men may have to refuse to register for the military, and do this in an ORGANIZE manner. Civil Rights organizatons (what's left of them) must EXPAND their vision of what civil rights means. Not only a fight against racism, but also against poverty, class oppression and sexism. Against imperialism.
Black nationalists (what's left of them) need to rediscover the revolutionary internationalist perspective and vision of Malcolm X. and other things. Well, I'm being called to a meeting as I type.
And I will be discussion with colleagues about the prospects of forming a progressive association of faculty, students and "cultural workers" to aid in the struggle for social justice in this area, and elsewhere. First let COMMIT, then in the struggle we will learn how the revolution is made in the very praxis of making it.

-Savant

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Harrisson wrote:

No, Barros, I don't see an Organic Food March on Washington any time soon, either. lol
We all have an agenda or preferred focus. Mine is literacy.
Without a higher level of literacy in both the minority AND majority communities, the elites will continue to flagrantly abuse the civil and economic rights of the underprivileged.
Additionally, a subset of the general literacy problem would be the narrower issue of financial/economic literacy. For example, before the country's real estate bubble burst, many people signed onto ARM (adjustable-rate mortgage) loans without really knowing what kind of potential madness they'd be on the hook for.
Perhaps, this idea of an Organic Food initiative could work within the context of a struggle for ECONOMIC JUSTICE.
As you know, the most advanced elements within our freedom movement in the 1960s were trying to expand the very conception of civil rights to mean not only fight against racial injustice but also economic injustice, the "twin" (in Dr. King's words) of racial injustice.
Perhaps we need to study once more the idea of the Poor Peoples Campaign. Look again at the trade union movement. Perhaps, even the insurgent population in Egypt offer lessons that can aid us in bringing about fundamental social change in the USA>

-Savant

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Note by Me: I don't agree with all of her words, but I know where she is coming from. All black people should be treated equally regardless of skin tone. I don't believe black people of any skin tone need a lawyer to defend their honor. They exist now and don't need me or anyone else to prove their own self worth. Their self worth is apparent. Yet, I am naturally attracted to dark skinned sisters. That's me. Real beauty is shown in the soul of a human being not just in the physical appereance of a human being. For God judges a person's heart not their physical appearance. IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, WE ARE ALL BLACK (in reference to my people regardless of skin tone) BEING CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.

By Timothy


I do understand how some black women feel...I support them getting some shine too, but lately I been noticing a number of them trying hard to throw us under the bus..and I will say it's been working. I never saw so many black men proclaim love for chocolate since; but it's hurtful because many of us "piss color" sistas love black men just as much. And if anyone notice we are the least likely to bash black man and date out. I do understand why this is..but a sistah is a sistah and we shouldn't be forcing brothas to choice between us.

-Light skin Sistah

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But why would you want a woman to be submissive? Thats your problem right there. Any respectable man would want a woman who has confidence and has her voice. To say she has an attitude because she doesnt go along with every little thing is wrong. If I were you, I'd be embarresed to admit that. It shows you have insecurity. To always feel the need to be in control and in charge of everything shows you have some deeper issues. And not just with you, Ive noticed that with many other guys as well. Its quite sad.

Reading these types of topics makes me appreciate my boyfriend even more. He really is a rare gem. He wants a equal relationship with me. He doesn't try to run it. Its 50/50.

btw, OP, keep posting the pictures and youtube videos! thanks :)

-Sidney (a woman)


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Barros Serrano wrote:

Racists with disrespectful words are boys, can't be men.
The rest of your post, I don't even understand... exposing people? flaws of certain aspects of the establishment's version... Who knows what you're talking about.
Saying "only whites can be racist" is racist. Is that clear enough?
Fighting disrespect with disrespect isn't my forte. You can say what of what you want. As for the rest of my post, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Kashta mentioned that most people in Congress are of a certain ethnic group (and that people have the right to expose the white supremacist power structure. Not all white people are to blamed for all evils in the world though). Also, integration as it exists now have had flaws. It wasn't 100% perfect. One of these flaws include the fact that integration was exploited by the elite in decreasing the need of black people to have more unified economic power. It was exploited to give people legitimate social rights, but didn't give effective economic justice among people of color. People from across the political spectrum has mentioned this not just Brueh.

You are right on some issues, but people are sick and tired of your intellectual condescension.

Ok, now no human should take rude disrespect. Yet, it is easy to rationally refute an enemy (without strife) or anyone you presumed have wronged you in various forms of communication. I don’t believe in reactionary rhetoric myself.

Now, integration put whites and blacks together in many arenas. I didn’t say that no progress occurred as a result of integration. I did mention that integration didn’t do enough to promote more black businesses and more black cultural cohesiveness to solve the problems of my race. Whites get taken advantaged in society. NO one denies this (no real, rational person omits poor whites suffering hell), but this is an African American oriented forum. The interests of our people in this forum have paramount discussion. Many blacks do realize the suffering of poor whites, but we blacks just believe that that origin of this suffering is from a white supremacist system (that many progressive whites omit).

The corrupt cartel-capitalist system of course reaps benefits among a select minority of human beings. That’s easy to figure out. Effective actions deals with race as a black person, since I’m born black. I am black and there is no way I can’t solve problems without discussing about both race and class. A multifaceted solution is necessary as you mention, but this problem is bigger than class oppression. It’s about a system that treats people of color worldwide in more degrading terms than even poor whites.



-By Timothy

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Timothy wrote:

Fighting disrespect with disrespect isn't my forte. You can say what of what you want. As for the rest of my post, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Kashta mentioned that most people in Congress are of a certain ethnic group (and that people have the right to expose the white supremacist power structure. Not all white people are to blamed for all evils in the world though). Also, integration as it exists now have had flaws. It wasn't 100% perfect. One of these flaws include the fact that integration was exploited by the elite in decreasing the need of black people to have more unified economic power. It was exploited to give people legitimate social rights, but didn't give effective economic justice among people of color. People from across the political spectrum has mentioned this not just Brueh.
You are right on some issues, but people are sick and tired of your intellectual condescension.
Last night, Kashta mentioned Dr. Claude Anderson definition of racism. I was unable to find the definition but I found an episode of Dr. Anderson on Tony Brown's Journal. According to Tony Brown, when organizations like The National Association of Assimilating with Caucasoid Persons (NAACP) started their campaign - their prohibited an agenda of educating Africans in America or for us to build an economic security infrastructure. They instructed Dr. Dubois and others we first had to be accepted by Caucasian Americans and Caucasians of the Jewish Faith. My point - we were doomed before we started because the agenda ensured the reality we see today. As a result, when you post as you do, others foolishly claim you are being racial because they hate the truth your post bears. Therefore, they are reduced to name calling or labeling because they are unable to refute the truth.

-Jermaine Malik Floyd
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It does not sit right with me that Carol who claims she is light complexion acts as if she is a different race because I'm of a darker color. We are both still black.

Also, I do not need the validation from a butter beans and field peas plantation nitwit like Carol to uplift me when I'm not depressed. It's Carol who has the slave mentality of her oppressors. This is why she feels dark skin women feel left out. We are not, we are happy within the skin we are in. Don't let anyone tell you different.

Timothy wrote:
There is nothing wrong with a black woman showing strength. Some dudes confuse standing up and strength shown by a woman as equated to having a bad attitude. Also, I've seen some WW say disrespectful comments behind people's back, act in a socially aggressive way, and possess a false sense of a superiority complex. Now, we shouldn't be color struck among our own people. My mother's side has a lot of light skinned people and my father's side has a lot of dark skinned people. My brothers are in a wide spectrum of skin complextions. We are all in this together (regardless of our skin tone) and all us ought to exist in a profound sense of unity plus Black Love.
I think that we should treat our own people as individuals.
Well said, we should not base beauty on skin tones. This thread should celebrate all women of color. What's more important is what is on the inside and that is from the heart.
-Ashira


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I don't believe it's anything personal. But surely you can somewhat understand how SOME dark skinned bw feel. If you'd been pushed in the background and told that you were less, you might be a little testy too, even if it's against other bw.

NO, it's not lightskinned bw's fault and NO it's not fair to lightskinned bw and NO it's not good for our community as a whole. But it is what it is. And I'm not light or dark. I'm in the middle. So it can't be said that I'm partial for either light or dark.

What we as bw need to do is all start embracing each other and stop letting the divide and conquer (that our enemies have been pushing on us since the old slave days) succeed. Because at the end of the day, both dark, medium skinned and light blacks are still oppressed. And it does us no good for one group to hate on the other.

And YES INDEED, many of us need to stop being color struck. There's nothing wrong with liking a lightskinned black EXCEPT when you do so because you feel their somehow better because they aren't "all" black or they don't look "all" black.

-TheHardTruths


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Well, there's the poisonous culture of consumeerism, the ideology of possessive individualism. and the whole idea that anyone who isn't "successful" is himself/herself at fault for lacking "drive", intellgence, etc. It's what Dr. Du Bois in BLACK RECONSTRUCTION calls the "American Assumption." All this must be overcome. We've become so alienated from even the notion of coummunity that ordinary civic engagement with one's neighbors is now regarded as an odd activity. Even rent and waistline parties that were so popular in inner city communities when I was coming up, have now become far less common.
Part of the process of making a revolution--nonviolent or otherwise--is the CREATION of COMMUNITY. Within the creation of community and the cooperative spirit, one already finds the seeds of REVOLUTION in society which estranges people from each other, and reifies human relations.
It is of no small importance that the FBI feared seemingly harmless ventures as community theatre or societies of poets. Can you imagine COINTELPRO infiltrating societies of poets?
It is no coincidence that the FBI feared the Black Panthers's breakfast programs, political and cultural education initiatives, and community clinics more than they ever feared the Panthers' guns.
The authorities knew very well that a community organization with a few shotguns and leather jackets were no threat to the existing order with its massive military and paramilitary forces.
But the IDEAS that the Panthers were spreading, and the EXAMPLES of COMMUNITY solidarity and self-determination---these were DANGERS that the ruling classes could not ignore.
Yet what could be more NONVIOLENT than a breakfast program to feed hungry children whom the system has abandoned? What could be more PEACEFUL and than EDUCATION program? But an education program which transcents the limits of the established corporate school system, which invites people to look at the world in NEW WAYS which break with the capitalistic worldview, and clinics which (like breakfast program) depends on SELF-DETERMINED community support--these were clearly revolutionary challenge....a challenge which threatened to win millions away from old ideas which uphold and legitimate the status quo.
Ideas are more powerful than bullets.

-Savant

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Savant wrote:

Perhaps the Revolution will spread to Syria....though I'm not so sure that the Syrian people are as united as the Egyptians have proven to be.
Rumor has it that the mullah despots are getting a little nervous in Tehran--hopefully, for GOOD REASON!!!
¡├ôrale!¡Abajo los mullahs!

Oh hell I've got a long list... USA is on it... people! ENOUGH ALREADY! INSURANCE bureaucrats decide your medical care! Millions line up in emergency rooms to cost the taxpayer 4x as much as otherwise... the middle class is clinging by its fingernails to the edge of a precipice (called poverty)... USA employers ALMOST ALL OF THEM won't pay a decent wage but will out-source and use illegal labor to make sure they don't have to... more people without proper medical coverage lining up in the emergency room...

Our media is corporate schlock; our schools are dumbed-down beyond all belief...

HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH YET LAZY FAT YANKS??? Get off your a___, the Egyptians are now making you look bad, as already Mexicans, French and others have. Move it!


-Barros Serrano

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i was referring to blondegirl who also believes we are in a global system of white domination (from her handle i assume she is white). It is a difference of opinion between you and me and certainly no reason for you to resort to racial slurs against me. Nonwhite people need to learn how to disagree with each other in a civil matter. And again i have explicitly stated that not all white people are racist time and time again. I think you are missing the ball in erradicating injustice if you do not remove white supremacy. You being of indian descent should know this with your land being taken by brits and an apartheid system being set up. Again i am your friend not your enemy no matter what you think.

-tek_knowledge


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Savant wrote:
That is a question with which Dr. King struggled during his entire life as a Movement leader.
But is REVOLUTION possible withut spilling rivers of blood? Or are revolutions ALWAYS bloody, as Malcolm X seesm to imply in his famous "Message to the Grassroots" speech?
First, what is a revolution? A revolution--unlike rebellion or Reformisn--is a FUNDAMENTAL transformation of any entire social order, an entire poliical and economic order. It also entails a radical CULTURAL transformation, and a transformation even in day-to-day interhumean relations.
And there must be, as Dr. King argued, a "revolution of values" as well as insttutions.
But can that be achieved peacefully? In particular, King came to see racism as inseprably tied to ECONOMIC EXPLOITATON. But to overcome that implies the transcendence of capitalism itself---a "radical redistribution of economic power" were the words I recall from one of King's speeches.
But can it be accomplished by NONVIOLENT means?
A non-violent revolution is the ULTIMATE IDEAL that we all should aim for. But how ACHIEVABLE it is in REALITY? I'm not so sure.

Call me cynical but time and time again, history as shown that the major revolutions have all happened with bloodshed and violence. I think partly because the people that want a revolution and change are TIRED and FRUSTRATED and that inevitably leads to anger, hate and violence against their oppressors. Or you have the oppressors feeling threatened and they use violence as a means of subjugating those that want change to put them in their place.

However, I still believe that it CAN be done. People need to have a common goal, and a worthy enough cause to fight for. History looks back on those that have fought their battles without using violence in a heroic light- people like MLK, Gandhi, etc

It can be done, we just need to strive for it.

-kemi8


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blondegirl214 wrote:
Hey Kemi; how ya doing? This isn't directed to you actually- Its to everyone.
Affirmitive action. This country had to enact a law to FORCE business owners to hire non-whites.( and i bet that just about half killed them to do that- gritting their teeth when they signed that one in) Now doesn't that tell you something?
They say that they aren't racist- oh hey look, non whites (and ww) get preferential treatment with this affirmative action- wtf are they whining about? They are unable to see that we wouldn't NEED affirmative action if people were treated equally?!
So if I get a job due to affirmative action; and then I get treated like sh___ if others find out. So without it , i get no job (screwed), and with it i get the job, but the environment i work in changes to a hostile one against me (screwed again- but with pay if i can last). Lots of getting screwed here; and I don't mean the good kind :)
And the biggest racists are all wide-eyed innocents:"what? I'm not racist- you just want to blame me! I'm fine- everyone is just fine- quit whining."
LMSWAO! It would be funny if not so sad.
I know right?
Its absolutely ridiculous.

Its the same people that point blank declare racism to be over are the SAME ones that are happy to turn around and use race as an excuse for when minorities don't behave according to THEIR pre-conceived notions of how people should act.

And even when they do bring up affirmative action as an argument, they conveniently forget that white women are the majority that benefit from it.

They're ridiculous


-kemi8


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crammasters Sep. 8th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
@ Cali
the IR-loving folks need to take their complaints to the same place they took their love, money, time, care and concern. If u are sexing a Asian, Hispanic or white folk, why are u bringing all your complaints back to black folk?

because that black folk KNOWS them NON-Black folks don’t give a d___how they are treated,

and if any gullible, love-everything-but-a-black folk, kind of black folk don’t believe what i said is true, try this experiment:
1. take that “ain’t no black folk winning an Emmy” to the Korean community and see how far u get
or the Hispanic or white community and see how far u get…

you make your bed, lie in and deal with it, and once you are gone, STAY GONE
and if they mistreat you DEAL WITH IT
because i’m just not interested in that information…

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sassy_gemini Sep. 13th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
@dis_bi_guy- LOL! WOW… I’m not sure if that was a compliment or not… but OK!
@ Cali- Exactly…. It’s not the first time someone has tried to use that one it WONT be the last. If you have to use someone’s hair to make your case that’s a shame! Completely disregard all the truth in my post… Check out my page and attempt to look and/or sound intelligent by pointing out my hair. It’s not even true @ that… But that still made my blood BOIL lol.
Ppl will not get the point no matter what or say or do. No matter how many facts are in their faces. It’s not about Blacks going against Blacks… And I will point out ANY nonsense said by ANYONE Black female or Black MALE. If she had never said that date outside our race BS, I would’ve been on her side! But that is not the case here. Standing up against racism in Hollywood should always be done… not just at one’s convenience.
@stormy- No one said they can decide who you date… I couldnt care less… Just dont try to recruit me in the BS… I wish ppl would read and stop putting words in my mouth.
With that being said… I’m out. Much love Cali and you others who speak truth…. I’m sure I will be seeing you again ha ha!

http://newsone.com/entertainment/casey-gane-mccalla/regina-king-blasts-the-emmys-in-blog-white-as-ever/comment-page-3/#comments

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CaliFemme23 Sep. 12th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
sassy_gemini, APPLAUSE!
Permed or relaxed hair has NOTHING to do with what you are saying here! You keep on speakin sister! Mofo’s have to find SOMETHING to get at you with when they can’t refute what you have to say otherwise! You are a gorgeous black woman….Keep doin what you doin sis….



Monday, February 7, 2011

un PC words

Hurrah for revoultion...


I’ve seen so many revolutions end badly, I find it hard to get my hopes up for a positive outcome in Egypt.  Revolutions that are not thwarted by military tactics of the colonial powers as in Haiti, Nicaragua, Cuba, and perhaps Grenada–I’m still not sure what the hell happened in Grenada, are often corrupted from within.  As Nietsche observes:

...the cause of the origin of a thing and its eventual utility, its actual employment and place in a system of purposes, lie worlds apart; ...whatever exists, having somehow come into being, is  again and again reinterpreted to new ends, taken over, transformed, and redirected by some power superior to it; all events in the organic world are a subduing, a becoming master, and all subduing and becoming master involves a fresh interpretation, and adaptation through which any previous “meaning” and “purpose” are necessarily obscured or even obliterated. 
(Nietzsche, On The Genealogy of Morals)

In Iran, South Africa, Zimbabwe, the Congo, Hungary, Poland, and all the “stans” that used to be parts of the USSR, reactionary elements subverted the revolutions to serve their own ends, or the once idealistic revolutionaries became corrupted by power and merely became “the new boss”–same as the old boss.

So I’m watching, rooting for the anti-Mubarak forces in Egypt, wishing for similar uprisings in Saudi Arabia and The United Arab Emirates, but remembering the words of William Butler Yeats:

Hurrah for revolution and more cannon-shot!
A beggar upon horseback lashes a beggar on foot.
Hurrah for revolution and cannon come again!
The beggars have changed places, but the lash goes on.


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"Reform" vs. "Democracy"

Unfortunately Dosamuno you are spot on.  The Elite Fraudsters and Game Changers have already sit up the construct from the inception of the people's revolution.  The Propagandists are masterful with words, thusly, the propagandists word of the day is "REFORM." The propagandists are loathe to use the word "Democracy" or "Democratic."  (Much like Obama refuses to use the words "poor"  "Black" and "homeless." Much like the MSM refused to use the word "torture" vs. "enhanced interrogation")
Chris Floyd at Empire Burlesque has cited the writings of the blogger named the "Angry Arab" in noting how Obama has signaled for Mubarack to quash the revolution.  As always the US speaks out of both sides of it's mouth.  The Zionists have grabbed Obama by the collar and b____ slapped him and threatened him, accordingly he trots out the word "Reform" vs. "Democracy."
We all here know what "Reform" means though the masses in American don't.  As Americans we've seen Obama's "reforms" which are nothing more than Right Wing policies wrapped up in Left Wing or Centrist slogans.  (The other day I heard him glowing about how Ronald Reagan was more transformative than even Bill Clinton, he wrote about this in his books, how Blacks and Liberals got suckered after reading his pablum is beyond me.)
But yes, American, Israel and the Western powers are working feverishly behind the scenes on "reform" which is nothing more than a continuation of the status quo.  I also have no doubt more clandestine funds are being funneled into the secret police appartus and that protest leaders-perceived or real-- are being round up, tortured or "disappeared" as we speak. 
The one thing I think we can be fairly sure of however, is that the Demographics in Egypt won't be changing anytime soon, and the youth of the world will not suffer silently like their elders.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/us-plan-replace-mubarak/
US plan: Replace Mubarak with torture-linked ‘CIA point man’ 


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Divide and Conquer: US Style "Roof" "Roof"

Wis. unrest exposed GOP strategy to split lower classes, liberal author says
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/20/wis-unrest-exposed-gop-strategy-to-split-lower-classes-liberal-author-says/
The labor unrest in Wisconsin exposed the Republican Party's plan to essentially divide-and-conquer the lower classes in America, a liberal author recently wrote.
"The Republican strategy is to split the vast middle and working class - pitting unionized workers against non-unionized, public-sector workers against non-public, older workers within sight of Medicare and Social Security against younger workers who don't believe these programs will be there for them, and the poor against the working middle class," Robert Reich wrote on his blog Thursday.
He continued, "Wisconsin's Republican governor Scott Walker and his GOP legislature are seeking to end almost all union rights for teachers."
Reich, the author of "Supercapitalism," who served as President Bill Clinton's secretary of labor, explained that blaming of public workers for budgetary matters at state levels is part of the GOP's overall goal: to hide the economic excesses of the wealthiest Americans.
What Mr. Reich won't say, because he is a Dimmocrap Party apparatchtik, (and despite the worthy insights in his blog), is that the Dimmocraps are following the SAME STRATEGY.
This harkens back to the fact that Obama refuses to use the terms working class or poor.  He always uses the term "middle class" and he incessantly caters to the "managerial class," though he won't use that term in and of itself.  Reich is right on the money except for the plot is also a Dimmocrap plot as well, they are just using a kindler/gentler version of if.  So Obama "appears" to support the unions in RHETORIC, while SUBSTANTIVELY supporting the wealthy.
Once again we are witnessing my repeated cry that "Every prick in American wants to be a Middle Manager," and the elites know this so they are going to play the classes against themselves.  Of course this comes as no surprise to most of us because it was always manifest in Tea Party rhetoric and sloganeering, it was always inbedded in Right Wing linguistics.  "I got mind, what about you?"  "Don't use my tax dollars to take care of you lazy bastards who refuse to work as hard as me, or are not as smart as me."  Don't count this out as an effective policy too.  In fact, unless we can gain some momentum from what's happening in Wisc.  I would bank on it working.  Given the consistent patterns of (primarily white) folks voting against their self-interest one would be crazy not to put their money on it now.  But in case one thinks I'm picking on Whites, don't count on the Black Elites to lift a finger.  Many of them share the same atttitudes as their White counterparts.
If there's one thing the Elites thugs of this country have going for them, it's propaganda and the in-depth study of the American psyche.  Good ol American "Individualism" will be the undoing of the concept of "Commonwealth."   "One nation, indivisible" my a___!!  As I've said many times in moments of reticence and cynicism, "pretty soon it's gonna be every man and woman for themselves and God for us all."
Welcome to the Auge of Austerity and "Dog eat Dog."





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@Nixakliel: More on the IMF/CIA Role from Global Research


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22993
"Dictators" do not dictate, they obey orders. This is true in Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria.   
Dictators are invariably political puppets. Dictators do not decide.
President Hosni Mubarak was a faithful servant of Western economic interests and so was Ben Ali.
In Egypt, a devastating IMF program was imposed in 1991 at the height of the Gulf War. It was negotiated in exchange for the annulment of Egypt's multibillion dollar military debt to the US as well as its participation in the war. The resulting deregulation of food prices, sweeping privatisation and massive austerity measures led to the impoverishment of the Egyptian population and the destabilization of its economy. The Mubarak government was praised as a model "IMF pupil".
The role of Ben Ali's government in Tunisia was to enforce the IMF's deadly economic medicine, which over a period of more than twenty years served to destabilize the national economy and impoverish the Tunisian population. Over the last 23 years, economic and social policy in Tunisia has been dictated by the Washington Consensus.
Both Hosni Mubarak and Ben Ali stayed in power because their governments obeyed and effectively enforced the diktats of the IMF. 
From Pinochet and Videla to Baby Doc, Ben Ali and Mubarak, dictators have been installed by Washington. Historically in Latin America, dictators were instated through a series of US sponsored military coups. In todays World, they are installed through "free and fair elections" under the surveillance of the "international community".
Our message to the protest movement:
Actual decisions are taken in Washington DC,  at the US State Department, at the Pentagon,  at Langley, headquarters of the CIA. at H Street NW, the headquarters of the World Bank and the IMF.
The relationship of "the dictator" to foreign interests must be addressed. Unseat the political puppets but do not forget to target the "real dictators". 
The protest movement should focus on the real seat of political authority; it should target (in a peaceful, orderly and nonviolent fashion) the US embassy, the delegation of the European Union, the national missions of the IMF and the World Bank.
Meaningful political change can only be ensured if the neoliberal economic policy agenda is thrown out


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The IMF Riot / Revolt Factor;

Guys like Mubarak & Ben Ali have been around for 2 - 3 decades or more & their  tyrannical / repressive modus operandi has not changed that much so why such an explosion now? The one factor that hasn't been fleshed out is the IMF, WTO so-called free-market global capitalist role in these revolts. The IMF, World-Bank & now the WTO have a several decade track record of imposing harsh measures on so-called 3rd World [& now even not so 3rd World countries IE: Yeltsin's Russian, currently Greece & the EU PIGS countries, etc] that open up these countries to be exploited [both the people's labor & the resources] by foreign Corps, while impoverishing their people. Historically the US & the West have found it much easier to get a so-called strongman thug type sell-out to work for their interests than a leader &/or Gov't who has their people's & nation's best interests & well-being at heart. BUT- At some point these IMF policies often lead to what Nobel Prize Economist Joe Stiglitz calls 'The IMF Riot / Revolt'. And It turns out that both Ben Ali in Tunisia & Mubarak supported these policies. Apparently Mubarak resisted [at least to a degree] for decades but then went 'all in' in 2004 / 2005. So as is almost always the case the conditions for the average Egyptian worsened even as the Globalists/Capitalists were praising Egypt [& Tunisia also] as their 'model for development'. But apparently someone anticipated something might happen [since the IMF Revolt has been a re-occurring pattern for decades nearly every time these regimes / Gov'ts take the IMF's medi-Sins] because there's a Wikileaked doc from the US embassy in Cairo about a key 'opposition' leader [unnamed] meeting w US officials in Washington DC in the past few months. No details on what was discussed but it looks like the US has been hedging its bets & probably wanted to try to cut a deal in advance w key people in the 'opposition' so that US' interests & policies [including Israel] would not be threatened, even if Mubarak was ousted. They probably just didn't think it would come so fast - until the people of Tunisia kicked out Ben Ali - then it hit em like a sledge hammer. So now the question is will Mubarak be able to leave on his on terms..., How fierce will be his push-back against those calling for his ouster & what might be the US' position if he does..., What kind of Gov't / regime will replace him & what will be their policies regarding the Egyptian people - GAZA/Palestine - US/Israel - & IMF/WTO??? The US is prepared to live w a change in face [if it has to] but NOT any REAL change in policy on these issues. We'll have to wait & see exactly how this plays out - in the long run


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http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/black-folks-aint-got-no-money-bootstraps-black-capitalist-dead-end?page=1

Evidence of your wondrous Euro-centric capitalism hard at work

Hey the vaunted capitalistic system is hard at work, while your tossing in your sleep about bills and evictions.

Published on Thursday, September 23, 2010 by CommonDreams.org
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/09/23-4
US Poverty Data Tells Only Half the Story...
by Ananya Mukherjee-Reed
Let's call this the 2% doctrine after D____ Cheney's "1% doctrine."  Capitalism works fine for the elites, read em and weep diehard fans of cut-throat, crony capitalism. "It's the only thing we got!" they cry out.  Well, if that's the case you're fucked or brain-dead:
Excerpts:
"Some excerpts from Profits Bounce Back:
Amazingly, as consumers struggle, U.S. corporations are staging a nearly unprecedented comeback that's largely escaping notice. The gargantuan, dispiriting job cuts that seem to dominate the news have also been the spur for an epic resurgence in profits. For 2009, the Fortune 500 lifted earnings 335%, to $391 billion, a $301 billion jump that's the second largest in the list's 56-year history, approaching the increase in the robust recovery of 2003.
The crucial reductions came in the item accounting for two-thirds of their costs: labor. In 2009, the Fortune 500 shed 821,000 jobs, the biggest loss in its history -- almost 3.2% of its payroll. ... ... The result was a wondrous surge in productivity, defined as the hours needed to make a bicycle, a PC, or a ton of insulation (emphasis mine)
That ‘wondrous surge in productivity’ came from layoffs and by getting less workers to produce the same, or more. No wonder then, that during this same 2009 when profits bounced back and productivity soared, 4 millions more Americans fell into poverty. Or that almost 44 million Americans lived in poverty and 50.7 million were uninsured – the highest ever since the Census was taken."
"The exact same story is being played out country after country. Private ‘fortunes’ of the few continue to grow alongside the misfortunes of many.  These fortunes come directly from production and investment strategies which involve layoffs, paying pittance to workers, tax dodging, abuse of tax payers’ money and so on."

HA!  What a wonderful propaganda coup:  "Rape = Love" "Capitalism = Prosperity for All." "Capitalism means never having to say your sorry."  LOL
Hypothetical Dialogue between "Capitalist" wannabe and E.C.:
"But, but, but E.C. This numbers make no sense, capitalism produces jobs, expands growth, trickels down wealth, how could this be? Corporations raking in a shit load of profits but no jobs?  This is not following Adam Smith principles?! " These facts are shaking the foundations of my world!!," he/she cries out.  I don't see the "Wealth of Nations" writ large in any of this? (gasp, hair-pulling)  E.C.:  "No, but it does follow Ann Randian principles you oaf.  Didn't you learn that in "B" School? What did I tell you?  Wannabe Capitalist answer:  "Greed is good?"  E.C.:  "No, dumb___, GREED IS LEGAL.  lol

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Sputnik Moment: A Paen to the American "God"

Obama is well adapted to using the symbolism and memes of American Exceptionalism, the root and branch of racism and the true "God" worshipped by Americans.  Ms. Kimberly's essay about how we define what is the Middle Class touches on this too.  (There's no secret why Obama uses Middle Class, but never "poor," or "working class").
As Dr. Ball suggests, Sputnik moment is an attempt to resuscitate the Cold War mentality latent in Americans as well as the distorted belief that America is "exceptional," and uniquely "blessed by God," and is therefore superior to all others.  For Obama and his handlers this not only means some delusional construct of moral or ethical superiority but most importantly military superiority.  It is some veiled and empty attempt to call for the resurrection of US technological innovation, as if those "discoveries" translated into real jobs.  The manufacturing base has eroded with each launch of the Space Shuttle, so what have we gained from space exploration?  There is no nexus between the science of space and real jobs. 
Sputnik moment is also a not so veiled attempt to rally the "masses" to challenge China's economic superiority.  In the context of Obama's speech, China has replaced Russia as the top US competitor.
The fact of the matter is that space exploration is nothing but an appendage of military innovation.  There is nothing we materially reap from the Space shuttle (remember "Tang" anyone), from NASA, from the Space Program but more militarism, more erosion of our civil liberties via new and improved spy satellites, more "full spectrum dominance" bu_____.
Obama's "Race to the Top" is a guranteed "Race to the Bottom" for minorities and the poor.  Obama loves speaking in the languge and tone of Anglo Saxon Supremacy.  America, despite what's happening in the Middle East, despite the emergence of BRIC, despite the ascendency of China, despite the control of energy resources by Venezuela, Russian and others, despite lower and lower achievements in science and math via the rest of the world, clings to the faded memory of American Exceptionalism, the true "God" of America, more powerful than any Bible verse, and a rallying force for both right wing conservatives and so-called "liberals."
There may be some "Sputnik Moments" but they are not happening in America, a faded and demented Empire in it's last throes.



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@Lonnell: Sources of the Black/White Left Divide

I will attempt to make some general observations.
First, I would refer you to Christianslayer's comments to the essay by Dr. Ball, "Black Radical Politics Will Save Us All," wherein he chided White Liberals for their "abandonment."  For the sake of brevity and redundancy I won't repeat his words here;  he has some great insights into the dilemna and charges White Liberals with "manning up."  He cites the ease and facility with which they jumped on the Reagan Bandwagon abandoning their self interest to a point and specifically abandoning the interests of Blacks and Minorities.
I doubt if you'll ever see the majority of Blacks or even a third of Blacks jump on the bandwagon of a political philosophy historically anathema to their interests, whereas Whites will.
Second, I believe that White (and Black) Conservatives have a point (up to a point) about Paternalism being a "Liberal Trait." -- the "Father Knows Best" attitude. Although I'd venture a guess that Michael Steele has his own take.  Harold Cruse and other Black Nationalists grew wary of White Liberals, Communists and Socialists for this very reason (among others).  Paternalistic mindsets make it difficult to fairly partner.  This explains why some Black "militants" are not as welcoming to someone like Tim Wise as others are.  For them the White person is always an interloper.
Third, I think a huge part of the problem with Black or White Liberals is "mythology."  I have come to the sad conclusion that mythology is more powerful than reality perhaps in part because of it's malleability.  If has been written extensively, especially by the cast here at BAR, how Blacks PROJECTED their beliefs onto Obama... well Blacks and Whites for that matter. There is a wonderful essay at Asia Times Online by Professor Chernus, it's titled "Trapped by Myth."  I encourage all to read it carefully. Prof. Chernus posits that one of the complications of creating a "Left Movement" is that "Leftists" are trapped by some of the same myths as Rightists.  Or stated otherwise they are trapped by their inability to be "myth-making" (to concot a counter narrative) particularly since they rely on logic and reason more so than conservatives.
While Prof. Chernus was rasing and dissecting the question of the power of myth in the context of : "Why are we still in Afghanistan."  I believe that his analysis goes much deeper or shall I say may be applied more broadly.  I believe that most Americans believe in American Exceptionalism, for example.  I believe that it is a stronger belief than their belief in God, and I believe it is the "tie that binds."  I believe the majority of White Liberals and increasingly Black Liberals still hold this myth dear to their hearts.  It's only the "radicals, anarchists, militants, and Black Nationalists or "commies" who don't buy into the myth.
Here's a sampling of Prof. Chernus's analysis:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MA26Df01.html
"If progressives believe they are myth-less, though, they're blind to the one mythic plot they share with the rest of America: good against evil. Progressives act out that myth on the political battlefield every day, passionately fighting to defeat right-wing evildoers. The problem is (and forgive me for repeating an old anti-left cliche of the 1960s, but it's true here): the progressives' political myth tells only what they're against, not what they're for.
In fact, deep down, most progressives do have a dim sense of their deepest principles : the Enlightenment ideals of peace, freedom, and equality based on the Romantic ideal of what Lakoff calls empathy, extended to all humanity and the biosphere as well.
But progressives don't wrap their policy prescriptions in mythic language that says clearly, simply, and patriotically what they're for. As a result, they can't compete with the myth of national insecurity. They've got nothing to offer in its place, which is at least one reason why, despite growing opposition to the Afghan war, they can't build a strong enough constituency to help - or force - Obama to end it.
All they can do is demand that he sacrifice his domestic agenda, and - no small matter for any politician - his second-term chances, on the altar of principle. As a result, they end up in a political never-never-land, which might feel good but isn't going to save a single Afghan life.
No individual, much less a committee, can sit down and create a new myth. Myths grow organically from the life of a community. Progressives would find their myth emerging spontaneously if they just spent a lot more time thinking and talking about their most basic worldview and values, the underlying premises that lead them to hold their political positions with such passion. """
So Lonnell, there you have it, a cursory opinion on the question of:
"Why can't Black and White Liberals coalesce more efficaciously."
Let me add in closing that Identify Politics has been a huge deterrant as well.  One of the central reasons the PROPER White Liberal Critique of Obama never took root (in addition to suffocation by Right Wing Media) is the backlash they incurred from Black folks ridden with Identify Politics.  (and those elements of distrust I alluded to--paternalism) I had many conversations where I concluded (and which resulted in my dialogue ending once and for all) that Black folks were of the hardcore opinion that ANY CRITIQUE OF OBAMA was a RACIST CRITIQUE. This is a myth that has it's own power.
Now, under those circumstances what is a caring and committed White Liberal or Prog suppose to do?  Remember how I gave the example of the White guy who donated $$ and time, organized meetings in his home, posted signs in his neighborhood for Obama, and all the "Brother" did was buy a shirt or put on a bumper sticker???  If you are White, how in the hell would you feel when that Brother in the next cubicle now accuses you of being racist for pointing out Obama's betrayals?  While the Brother was getting "krunk" on the weekends, the White Guy was busting his a___ to get Obama elected.  "I pity the fool" in both instances.  LOL

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American Idol writ large

After conversing with members of my own family last night pre-SOTU speech, the hopeless mindset of Black Americans has dawned on me, again.  While we don't engage in shouting matches as I'm sure some of you do with your clan, it is abundantly clear to me that "The King can do no wrong."  The emotional capital and symbolism Blacks have wedded to Obama will be a cause for social, political and psychological study for decades. As I said this week elsewhere at BAR, "Obama could bring back slavery and Blacks would still give him a pass."  Much of this ignorance stems from the gullibility of the masses that what they read, see, and hear on T.V. as "news" is truly news.  And their critical thinking skills are stunted by centuries of racial pathologies.
A friend once commented that he wished entitlement programs disappeared as an impetus for Black self-help. Each day and year we move closer to this prospect.  As Obama veers further to the Right, Blacks will be his biggest apologists.  Sadly, my friend will come to understand that Blacks are not equipped for this fateful and immient prospect.
The WSW once again hits the nail on the head, as they write: "Obama displayed utter callousness and indifference toward the social distress of tens of millions of Americans. There was virtually no reference to unemployment or the staggering growth of economic inequality, and no proposals for creating jobs for the 17 million workers who are jobless or forced to subsist on part-time and temporary work.
The words “poverty,” “foreclosures,” “hunger” and “homelessness” were not uttered, despite sharp increases in all four during the first two years of Obama’s tenure."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jan2011/obam-j26.shtml
Blacks act dumbstruck, like a deer in headlights.  They can see austerity coming, but are paralyzed as to how to react to it.  As Arthur Silber  predicted in 2008, Obama would neuter Liberalism and Progressivism like no one could imagine. Unless some "famous" big name Negro speaks up Blacks are going to suffer deprivations silently.  I read a quote the other day that sums it up:
"The average man is a conformist, accepting miseries and disasters with the stoicism of a cow standing in the rain." Colin Wilson, British author of the Outsider.
SeventiesSoulChild and Afroseer (correctly) said that Blacks do not need validation from White Liberals.  They are correct, in fact Blacks have been at the helm and vanguard of social justice, BAR has written that the world looks to African Americans for leadership on social justice.  I agree.  However, given the present sad psychological state of the Black Masses while we may not need validation, we d___ sure need help.  And I'll take it from where ever I can get it.  Maybe Blacks will listen when, in the absence of same "famous" Negro speaking truth to power (not likely to happen) White people start pointing out the injustices of Obama's policies.  As far as Blacks "getting it?" sadly, I ain't holding my breath.  Even when Obama greenlight's cuts in social security, medicare and medicaid they won't hold him responsible. When they look at Obama all they can see is that it's the American Idol long shot all day, every day, winning the judges approval and advancing to the next round. Adorable little bastard just singing his hear out.
If only Obama was as emotionally invested in Black folks as they are emotionally invested in him.  As Mr. T would say, "I pity the fool."
Chris Floyd has a brilliant insightful essay titled

Goonstruck: The Mysterious Mind of Modern Progressives
This paragraph is of note:
"Yet despite Obama's admirably frank presentation of himself as willing, eager tool of the bloodstained, brutal power structure that progressives decried so strenuously during the Bush years, these same progressives clambered onto Obama's bandwagon, declaring his election to be a moral imperative that all must support, or else be damned as an enemy of truth and light. They drank in his vague and vacuous rhetoric -- which in its soaring words about unity, peace, justice, equality, the future, etc., did not differ by a single iota from the disgorgings of meaningless gas we have always heard from the high and mighty. And when he reached the top of the power structure, and set about replicating, defending, entrenching and expanding the crimes of his predecessors, "progressives" fell silent, or carped a bit around the margins of this issue or that, or stuck out their tongues at Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, or, in a great many cases, simply pivoted on a dime and began praising and justifying Obama's savvy "continuity" with policies they had considered intolerable abominations just months before."

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Inisa Love wrote:

We need for those who came out of the community and have financially made a mark for themselves to invest back into the community.
They are not going to do that as long as the violence is there.
I think we should start there. Combating the violence. The murder.
How? I have to admit, I don't know. Is law enforcement cracking down the only answer? To Me, it seems this way.
Any suggestions?
I live in the suburbs outside Detroit but you're right many of us are going back. We have to start reaching the kids regardless of whether they're 0 or 19...kids respond to love.

Gotta start opening more free or low cost youth centers (I believe the best would be church ran) to teach basic manners, etiquette classes for boys and girls. Teaching the kids how to garden...grow their own food.

Teaching the girls how to take care of Black hair which is extremely soft naturally, if you know how to care for it.

Teaching our girls how to cook...getting our boys into woodshop, help them learn how to make study furniture, etc. Computer classes. mechanic training. Introduce them to trades. Help some get their GEDs.

Introduce them to various careers starting at about 12. Help them academically....lots of ways to tutor kids. Help them prepare for tests.

Walk beside them. Let them know we care and have high expectations for them.

Have them in beautiful surroundings, that they help keep up, supply educational materials and computers onsite.

Just so many things we can do to jumpstart our kids and help their parents prepare them to compete on a international level.

But most of all let them know that they must want better in order to do better.

-Carol


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DualMarauder wrote:

There is a lot of value in the inner city. We just need the numbers. More people need to say out loud that this way if life is not right. I spoke with a 60 year old black woman who thinks she did a good job raising her 4 children by herself and she is strong for it. Problem is that 2 live with her in section 8 housing while the government pays her to watch her own grandchildren, 7 of them-multi-dads. She tried to use the crack mothers and younger single mothers to make her look better. That happens so much in our community. She made herself feel better by looking down on people who were worse off....ewwwwwww.
I told her about mothers (single and 2-parent) who were doing better and she got pissed. I reminded her respectfully (respect for the elders is part of our culture too) that we needed standards not a grading curve.
You are soooo right, I believe our kids need to know what mistakes we've made so that they don't repeat them. When we front and act as though we've always been perfect (usually they can see through us anyway) we cheat them... because destructive cycles can repeat themselves over and over in families.

Many of our elderly forget that they've stumbled and fell as well. That's life and nothing to be embarrassed about...when you fail or fall...shake yourselve off , get up and try again. Our kids need to know the secret to success is not giving up.

-Carol

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Sir Arthur wrote:

Good post. Laws should be passed to encourage blacks to own and open small businesses in black neigborhoods.
Also blacks should form co-operatives nationwide and open supermarkets and other big businesses with ordinary black people's shares, and encourage blacks to shop from them. And the profits will go to the blacks who invest in them, even to those who invest a few dollars in shares.
If affirmative action is given in everything else why not also give affirmative action to encourage blacks to make it on their own?
I suspect the white mainstream does not want that to happen. I mean all of these black folks with millions or even BILLIONS of dollars and NOT ONE OF THEM has thought of this, especially since for whatever reasons black/latinos are not being employed at the rates of whites/asians? These wealthy blacks are either
1) small minded
2) selfish
3) encouraged by the system NOT to invest into black people

1) seems to be unlikely because a lot of these people are politically astute, and own all of their own businesses (Oprah and Jay-Z for example)
2) This also doesn't seem to be the case, since most of these guys donate 10s of millions of dollars to philanthropic organizations.
3) seems most likely. It seems that its completely okay for these black wealthy people to give fish to other black people, but not to teach them how to fish.

A black owned gas chain, a black owned grocery store, a black owned Record Distribution Label, Government Contractors, department stores, etc would all be extremely constructive to the economic empowerment of black people.

But why would the American mainstream want this?

And hasn't when this type of thing happened before,(Tulsa, OK "Black Wall Street") haven't people went in and destroyed the places?

Just something to think about.

-teh_knowledge
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OMG! I'm trying to invest in real estate and small business down the way aka the hood. There are so many old homes and store fronts for next to nothing. I'd like to bring more green projects with the result being homes for families and efficient commerical space.

Churches don't pay taxes so they are supported by tax payers who don't even attend. They're doors should be open to community outreach efforts more than they are and we are working on that as well over here. Boys need to be boys too. I'm a woman and I don't want my future son to be feminized by a lack of male-oriented activities. The girls need to be given their virtue again too. Older women telling girls it's okay to be loose is common now. If there was ever an example of hating that is one for sure.

See this is what I enjoy. Eveybody has something to offer to community improvement. I like diversity in solutions because we can't all be on the same page. We need different groups networking together. Group for Child Development, group for Community Economics, Group for Black Senior Citizens, Group for Education, Group for Health, etc. The goal is to improve things and give everyone a chance to contribute using their interests and talents as they see fit.

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Timothy wrote:

YOu're right sister. Why should we follow some Eurocentric standard of beauty? We ought not. If these black dudes (not all) hate AA black women so much, don't they subconsciously hate themselves since they've existed from a black woman. So, this AA women bashing doesn't make any sense because there are tons of black AA women (of many sizes, shapes, etc.) that treat smart brothers with respect and have a great personality plus excellent outlook in life. I'm a smart brother and black women in the USA treat me with respect all of the time. If these women hating brothers hate AA women so much, why are they complaining in the NEt. Wouldn't they just live their lives, call it day, and lay up with a non-BW to their hearts content? It doesn't make sense unless these brothers are unconscious servants (who overexaggerate instances and project these instances falsely into blaming most women) of a white supremacist goal to demonize sisters. So, I will never take the bait and black women in the USA and the world are Queens.
Im am so glad you see the light.. Thank god there are brothers out there like yourself who dont buy into white supremacist beauty. And you understand that blacks need to work together if we are going to go anywhere in life. Instead of constantly bashing one another. Muah you have my love 100%


-beautiful black woman

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50% of black have AIDS???? D___ that's like 20 million black with AIDS. LOL Too bad that's incorrect because last time I checked there were 3 million people total with hiv/aids. Blacks are the highest percentage because we are of a smaller race but there are more whites with aids. Also, bm in college get their degrees in 2 to 4 years and are no longer counted but thousands of those guys in prison been there for decades and are counted every single year. See how manipulating stats can be to the weak minded and clueless. There are men who have been in prison for 40 years now and they are counted every single time a survey goes around. But one black man is only counted until he graduates and then he is no longer counted. Also, there are hundreds of thousands of black college graduates if not millions but there is only 876,000 black men incarcerated. I know how to dissect stats lil mama.

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DualMarauder wrote:

OMG! I'm trying to invest in real estate and small business down the way aka the hood. There are so many old homes and store fronts for next to nothing. I'd like to bring more green projects with the result being homes for families and efficient commerical space.
Churches don't pay taxes so they are supported by tax payers who don't even attend. They're doors should be open to community outreach efforts more than they are and we are working on that as well over here. Boys need to be boys too. I'm a woman and I don't want my future son to be feminized by a lack of male-oriented activities. The girls need to be given their virtue again too. Older women telling girls it's okay to be loose is common now. If there was ever an example of hating that is one for sure.
I sincerely pray that all goes well for you. That God open doors for you no man can shut. There's a lot to be done. You're so right... the inner city is ripe for us to make a huge difference. Ripe for opportunies.


Also our boys need that male thing, in the right setting with honorable people. I'm a widow..with a son so I know what you mean. I also have a young daughter, who I want to remain a virgin until she marries. you're right again there are silly old women who encourage our young girls to be loose.


But usually they encourage these young girls to mess up their lives because they messed up theirs.


-Carol




http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T1170A4R4QRTGQFVN/p2


http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T1170A4R4QRTGQFVN/p6




Racist Superbowl Commercial - Pepsi Ad Stereotypes Black Women


Spikewebbe wrote:

Very thoughtful post on your part; really got me thinking. But I wonder if the creators of this Pepsi ad actually have that kind of agenda. I don't think they'd ever admit it if they did.
NO COURSE NOT...BUT RACE ASIDE....JUST IN TERMS OF HAVING A REALISTIC...FACTUAL-RESEARC BASED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ADVERTISING INDUSTRY.....IT IS NEARLY BEREFT OF ANY SIGNIFICANT AA PRESENCE....ATLEAST AT THE MAJOR LEVEL.....

AND MIND YOU THIS IS A MAJOR CORPORATION....ER GO A MAJOR-MAJOR CLIENT....WENT SHOPPING FOR A MAJOR CAMPAIGN.....

WITH MAJOR DOLLARS TO PUT BEHIND IT!

*IN OTHER WORDS....IT IS WHAT IT IS....BECAUSE IT IS WHAT THEY PAID FOR....*AND MIND YOU THEY USED TO BE CONSIDERED ONE THE BEST CORPS FOR AA TO WORK FOR....BACK IN THE 90S....BUT ALAS THIS IS THE 2000s....A WHOLE OTHER ANIMAL....*AND MIND YOU THE TYPE OF FOLKS THAT THE AD AGENCY HIRES ARE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME TYPE OF EDUCATION AS MINE....WHICH IS WHY I MENTIONED IT TO BEGIN WITH...SAME AS FOR THE MAJOR PAPERS OF THE WORLD...THESE PEOPLE ARE NO JOURNALISM GRADUATES FROM FERRIS STATE UNIVERSITY IN MICHIGAN....NO THEY ARE FOR THE MOST PART...IVY LEAGERS.....WHO ARE PAID VERY WELL FOR WHAT THEY DO....*I HAD AN OFFER FROM CAMPBELL EWALD...BUT PASSED ON IT AND WENT TO LAW SCHOOL INSTEAD....AFTER HAVING DONE RESEARCH ON THEM....NOT GOOD!

MOST AD AGENCIES ARE VERY WHITE MALE HEAVY....AND HAVE STAUNCH GATEKEEPERS TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.....

SO NO...ACCIDENTS/INSENSITIVITY OF THIS NATURE DOES NOT HAPPEN....NOT ON THIS LEVEL....IT IS CLEARLY A CASE OF EITHER AN AGENDA AT WORK OR A BAD CASE OF A LACK OF CULTURAL-SEXUAL-POLITICAL-ECON OMIC-INSENSITIVITY AT BAT.....WHICH HAS NO PLACE IN AN AD CAMPAIGN FOR A MAJOR CORP....THAT IS PUBLICLY TRADED AND THAT RELIES ON THE PUBLICS SENSE OF GOOD WILL TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT....

THE STOCK HOLDERS SHOULD BE P___D....IF THEY HAVE ANY SENSE OF FAIR PLAY!....I KNOW THAT IS FUNNY!


-The Moor


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Louisianemperor wrote:
Hey Ms. Georgia. We're holding it down around here. Black love is very strong in my neck of the woods but I'm sad to hear about what's going on on the west coast.SMH I can't visit Cali now because I refuse to see my people in such disarray. But I gotta take a trip to Georgia especially Atlanta. Enjoy the view of all that beautiful chocolate that you all have to offer.
Hey! Its so GOOD to know that Brothas and Sistass are holding it down!
Yeah, its pathetic, what's happening here on the WC. But the brothas and Sistas here who think they have arrived are getting their wake-up call.
My part of the woods in Georgia is Boston and Thomasville. The ATL has it going on, especially in the "conscious community!"

Peace


-MzBrown

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the blacksmith wrote:
The average sensible black person is not looking for any excuse to date outside. The issues that tend to separate black mates the most have to do with our ATTITUDES, not our race. Some black men treat black women like crap and vice versa. Seems to me like all black people have to do is start appreciating and treating each other with repect again and this whole "bm/bw marriage problem" will be gone.
That being said, I choose to stay with my black woman.
*That is why we say those who have consciousness and those who don't are literally "the walking dead." Our issues is just that OURS but when you have those that meddle with "shiny things" i.e.-status, money and lust-(body enhancements through artificial means) some are WEAK!!! Sistas and Brothas alike!

*There is nothing wrong with Financial Security, its when it comes at the expense of your Soul (not religious)...Consciousness and your Culture.
BM says that its the BW's attitude...Well, I was brought up to know that a Man likes a challenge...(easy Come, easy GO).

*That's RIGHT, we need to start respecting each other but how do you do that when the MEDIA portrays US as "unacceptable" to each other...whitewash and brainwashed! And there are those who buy into IT!

Big Up to you blacksmith...Peace...Staying TRUE


-Mz Brown

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THE MOOR wrote:
*AND I CAN SEE WHY THEY WOULD BE OFFENDED....
I WAS OFFENDED!....BECAUSE IT WAS FILLED WITH SEVERAL STEREOTYPES?....
ALL DESIGNED TO MAKE BM LOOK BAD AND TO STIR UP CONFLICT BETWEEN BM AND BW AND TO ONCE AGAIN SEND THE MESSAGE THAT...."ALL BM WANT WHITE GIRLS....TO BLACK WOMEN....IT WAS A PRIME TIME ATTACK ON BW DESIGNED TO EXPLOIT THEIR FEARS AND INSECURITIES.....WHILE SENDING THE MESSAGE TO BW ON THE FENCE THAT....
INSTEAD OF BEING "AGNRY,FRUSTRATED AND AGGRESSIVE"....AND HAVING TO ACT THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF BM....(WHO THE MAJORITY OF WHICH ARE WITH BW AND NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT NONBW)WHO DON'T EVEN WANT YOU....YOU SHOULD DATE OUT!
MY WIFE JUST SHOOK HER PRETTY LITTLE HEAD,LAUGHED AND EXCLAIMED...."OH LORD HAVE MERCY THESE PEOPLE ARE PUSHING THIS AGENDA HARD"....AND SHE'S RIGHT....
ALL THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IS CAUSE A BIG ASS PUBLIC OUTCRY FROM IGNORANT BW....WHO FEEL THE NEED TO LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT THEY IN FACT WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH BM...AND IN FACT PRAISE OTHER NONBM/WHITE MEN.....WHICH MANY WILL DO....WITHOUT EVEN THINKING......IT'S JUST AA DEVALUING AND DEMEANING EACH OTHER....
AND BW COMING OUT TO PRAISE WHITE MEN IN THE MEDIA FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE....
*FOR THE PLEASURE,SATISFACTION AND THE FULL ENTERTAINMENT OF WHITE FOLKS!
Very thoughtful post on your part; really got me thinking. But I wonder if the creators of this Pepsi ad actually have that kind of agenda. I don't think they'd ever admit it if they did.

-Spikewebbe

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SheerEll...
Female, 27, Dallas, TX
Posted June 03, 2010

Thank God Black men are starting to embrace Black women's natural beauty: for the record, the pics of me my with my own natural, short, nappy hair are the most recent and how my hair looks now...



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BROWNMAN20 wrote:
I didnt think race when I first saw the video, but when I heard that it was a stereotype of black women to be angry, then I kinda though of it then, but I know it was a commerical. Most brothas would not let a women do what that women did to them, it was a joke/commercial, and It should be taken as that. I think we need to loosen up on the jokes, look at our comedians, they clown every race, and use every word in their stand up. We need to loosen up some as a people, but be not extremely loose.
*I HAVE A DEGREE IN COMMUNICATIONS....FROM COLUMBIA....CONCENTRATED IN PUBLIC RELATIONS AND ADVERTISING/MARKETING....*WE USED TO GO TO CLASS AND PUT TOGETHER EVERYTHING FROM PRINT ADS TO PSAS TO ONLINE ADS,TO MAJOR PRIME TIME SPOTS....(ONE OF OUR ASSIGNMENTS WAS TO WATCH THE SUPERBOWL....JUST FOR THE ADS)....

TO MAJOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS....WE WOULD OFTEN BE HANDED "PUBLIC RELATIONS PROBLEMS/FIRES....IF YOU WILL....THAT WE HAD TO PUT OUT....

IS THERE A P.R. DILEMMA HERE....WHAT IS THE P.R. DILEMMA HERE....WHO'S AT FAULT....WHAT MUST BE DONE....HOW WOULD YOU FIX THIS DILEMMA....WHAT'S THE FIRST STEP....THE SECOND STEP....WHAT CHECKS AND BALLANCES WOULD YOU CREATE-USE TO GAIN USEFUL FEEDBACK FROM YOUR TARGET AUDIENCES...I..E..HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE ON TARGET WITH YOUR STRATEGY TO CATCH THIS RUN AWAY TRAIN....AND TO REGAIN THE PUBLICS CONFIDENCE AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY THEIR RESPECT AND TRUST?....

AND LET ME TELL YOU...I SAW TROUBLE WITH THAT SPOT ALMOST THE SECOND THAT IT HIT THE AIR....THE VERY FIRST SECOND....AND YES IT WAS BAD....FILLED WITH NEGATIVE STEREOTYPES.....ABOUT EVERYONE IN IT....THE BW,THE BM AND EVEN THE NOTICEALBLY THINNER "OBJECT OF EVERY BM DESIRE" THE WHITE WOMAN....WHO IF YOU RECALL WAS WEARING WORKOUT CLOTHES AND RUNNING....WHILE THE BW WAS SIPPING A PEPSI OF COURSE....AND THE BM....LIKE SOME IGNORANT ASS MONKEY...JUST COULD HELP HIMSELF....MIND YOU THE BW IN THE SPOT WAS NOT UNATTRACTIVE....BUT THIS BM AS IF RESPONDING TO SOME DEEPLY ROOTED NATURE WITHIN HIM JUST COULDN'T RESIST THE WHITE WOMAN....WHO MOST BM/FROM WHAT I KNOW OF BM.....BASED ON MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES OF HAVING SOCIALIZED WITH AND TALKED TO OTHER BM....IN REALITY PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN NOTICED THIS BONEY PALE CHICK....

YET HERE PEPSI CO....WHO MIND YOU IN TIMES PAST HAVE GIVEN A TON OF MONEY TO SUPPORT AA EDUCATIONAL-FAMILY ORIENTED PROGRAMS...ARE IN THE 2000S PUSHING STEREOTYPES OF AA....HMMMM?

IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW WHITE OWNED MAJOR CORPS SEE AA AS BEING SIMPLE AND MANIPULATABLE....BUT TELL ME SOMETHING NEW!

-The Moor
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"when a tiny elite minority controls 85% of the world's resources, the problem is NOT overcrowding, or overpopulation, it's GREED on a satanic level. Mother Earth can sustain all the life that is on the planet and when that is not possible, Mother Nature will make a correction. All this nonsense about "overpopulation" has more to do with the COLOR of those populations, than anything else. Remember the movie 2012, and who was left standing? that is the wish list of the corrupt elite minority."
-crammasters

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crammastersFeb. 9th, 2011
at 9:28 pm

@ ALL
for those who think “things have changed” for black folks google

Neo-slavery in the American South

I can’t post the link or this post will never show up

here’s an excerpt:

Though called by other names, poor Blacks are kept in bondage today in the United States.
Nearly 150 years after Emancipation, trapped by extreme poverty, isolation, fear and shame, some Blacks remain victims of neo-slavery in rural areas of the South, locked into work in fields, factories and assorted industries.
While not bought and sold at auction block, these poor Blacks are forced to work, live in shacks, often have no indoor plumbing and are often trapped in peonage, tied to land where they owe owners debts that are never repaid, according to an activist and researcher. Some Blacks are even forced to pay rent to White landowners for dilapidated housing but are fearful of identifying landlords and owners.
“Slavery never ended and that’s the point, it never ended. It just disguised itself in other forms,” says Antoinette Harrell, who is based in Louisiana and has doc**ented the plight of people she describes as modern slaves in America.

now this article was written in 2010, NOT 1910, so it seems that either it’s one of two things:

1) either we do NOT KNOW what is happening to other black folk in this country, or

2) we do not care what happens to other black folk as long as it’s not happening to us

what i do know is we better wake up, and see what fate is in store for MORE of us, as the economy tanks, jobs disappear, and black poverty continues to rise, and I GUARANTEE YOU, all the IR sex is the world is NOT going to save a single black a____…

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crammastersFeb. 9th, 2011
at 7:50 pm

@ dnomyaRising who said, “THE BLACK WO-MAN IS THE MANTLE PIECE OF SOCIETY…I’M OUT!”

i agree, they have always been my choice, just like the white female is the preference of most white males, and Asian females are the preference of most Asian males. It’s the most NORMAL thing in the world to prefer your own, and that has NOTHING to do with “hating” another group.

back to the point, if so many non-black females are getting lip implants, butt implants, breast implants, plastic surgery, hair weaves (the first ones were made for WW), curly perms, skin tans, and is always trying to sing, dance, etc like the BW — how can the BW be inferior?
the white media refuses to give the BW credit, so they pretend Angelina Jolie’s lips are brand new or super special OR J-Lo and Kim Kardashian invented round butts,

when in reality, neither of these ladies have the best lips or butts, not compared to the BW i see (and have known personally, if u hear what i’m saying :-)

not to say that BW don’t imitate white beauty BUT they have been taught (programmed) from cradle to grave to believe that white beauty is superior, so they have an excuse to be brainwashed.

what is the excuse of the non-black female — who have been taught that white is better — but choose to imitate BW?

regardless, what i found is as much as some non-black folk (and some sick black folk) put BW down, they usually have some other issues, like ENVY, or they have been rejected by a beautiful BW women they wanted and are just bitter. Maybe some BM had an abusive mother and dislike BW in general because of it, or maybe the BM is on the D/L and dislikes women in general because he’s afraid to come out the closet…

because what kind of “sexually normal” man or a BM who loves his black momma would spend all that time putting down BW? and that goes for a white male, Hispanic, etc who dislikes his own group of women..
it makes no d___  sense


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crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 16, 2009

nite_rydher wrote: I love my black sisters. There are none more beautiful, sexy, intelligent, fun loving and spiritual.

ME: I second that
nite_rydher: But a reality check for us all. The color barrier that existed between all races is all but gone. I believe that within the next 100 years, there will be only a few races on earth.

ME: Brother, the color barriers are bigger than ever. The housing and employment gains that blacks made over the last 30 years, are almost completely wiped out. Black unemployment -- regardless of education -- is the highest in the nation, and that includes ILLEGAL ALIENS. One out of 4 BM between the age of 18 and 28 are in prison. 70 percent of black children are raised by single black mothers. What is left of the so-called black community is falling apart before our eyes. Why? Not because black people are defective; it's happening because black people DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO US.

We do NOT understand that WAR is being waged against our community, here in America, as well as African nations abroad. If we do not face that FACT, we will lose the war by default.
nite_rydher: So, what is the true question here. "Is it a mute point to ponder over interracial dating when races as we know them today will soon be extinct"?

ME: IR dating/marriage/breeding WEAKENS our community and BUILDS NOTHING. There is NO SUCH ANIMAL as an interracial power, political, or economic base. Every ethnic group on the planet understands the power of UNITY, except the descendants of SLAVES.

Here's an experiment you can try: Go to someone in the Asian, Hispanic, Indian, or white community and tell them that their race will one day be extinct -- then watch their reaction...

when you get a chance,
check out
http://www.trojanhorse1.com


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Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 23, 2009

Brother, it is NO secret to anyone reading my blogs that I am against interracial relationships because of the times we live in and our circumstances as blacks in a white supremacy system. However, I have no choice but to respect your right to make that choice.

At the same time, I am under NO obligation to ignore the consequences of the choices that too many BM are making, especially at a time when the black community is under attack AND the majority of black children are being raised by single black females. To me, that is unacceptable, and if my language is strong and some take that to mean I want to think for them, then I'll take that heat in stride.

Like I have explained to black folks MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES, there are powerful economic and political forces at work in this nation that have a hidden (and not so hidden) agenda against the black nation. It is also apparent that many black folks seem totally unaware of this agenda IN SPITE of the evidence. Right now, as I write, the black community is watching the civil rights clock spin backwards and yet we think we are controlling our future.

Right now, the black nation has LOST over 30 years ofl job and housing gains in less than one decade. Right now, there are over ONE MILLION BM and BW locked up, many for non-violent drug offenses. Right now, blacks in America have the WORLD'S HIGHEST INCARCERATION RATE (for our population) and yet black folks think we are controlling our own future.

Collectively, black folks in America have no real communities that we control; we build nothing, manufacture nothing, own nothing (that can't be taken away), have no real business base, no real economic base, and we can't feed, house, clothe, or educate ourselves

YET

Some black folks are MORE concerned with our "right" to make personal romantic choices, than with our NEED to plan for our survival.

Black folks who know their history, who are not in love with the symbols of our oppression (white flesh), and who are paying attention to current economic and political events and agendas KNOW there is NO greater need or time for black unity than RIGHT NOW.

Unfortunately, we black folks are so accustomed to going to the "white man" for all our basic needs, we don't think there's anything wrong with that.

We are so dependent (and in so much denial) on white people that most of us can't imagine a time when the black community could be CUT OFF from our basic needs and will be UNABLE to fend for ourselves because we -- especially us BM -- have NOT built anything for ourselves, or our black women and children.

Even while it is OBVIOUS that the US economy is in a tailspin (DELIBERATELY caused by the men in power) and that blacks are suffering more than anyone in this nation -- including illegal immigrants (!) -- some black folks are still MORE CONCERNED about their "right" to make certain romantic choices than they are about the NEED to plan for our SURVIVAL.In saying all that, brother, I am not trying to tell you how to live. I am saying, if black folks don't wake up from our 500-year coma and start paying heed to all the messengers in our community who are trying to wake us up -- we better be prepared to suffer the consequences.

I truly believe one day, the black folks who are reading blogs like mine, are going to remember (or not) all the warnings for BLACK UNITY from all the messengers (like myself) who cared enough to say what is unpopular,
who cared enough to risk the wrath (and contempt) from those black folks who DON'T want to think about their own survival,

and who cared enough to risk the wrath of those powerful (hidden) people who DON'T want anyone to warn black people about their hidden agendas.

I also hope, brother, that we can continue to respect each other, brother, whether you and I agree or disagree, because no offense was intended ...
Thanks for posting your comment.

peace to you, brother



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A Younger, Darker Version of Ray Gun

First of all, how did people allow themselves to be conned by a man who admires Ronald Reagan of all people, a senile old man during his last days in office, a shameless corporate shill?  That fact alone speaks to volumnes of delusion.
Second, why do people fail to recognize (As Mr. Ford bluntly states herein) Obama's shamelessness when it comes to adopting Right Wing, pro-corporate policies.  I mean, for heaven's sake, the man appears on Bill O's show for two days before supining himself before the Chamber of Commerce.  What in God's name do the "marks" think he was signaling by appearing on Fox Noise??
My municipal job is by and large funded by HUD.  I attempted to inform my co-worker the other day that the Rethugs, Dummos and Obummer were serious about stripping a billion dollars away from CDBG (Block Grant) funding.  My co-worker (my 2nd Amendment-loving, White Liberal friend) refuses to believe that this might happen.  When I reminded him of the federal pay freeze, when I reminded him that Obama was on Fox Noise promising $450 Billion in cuts over the next 5 years, when I reminded him of the groveling before the Chamber, when I reminded him of Obama's appointment of Daley to appease and grease the corporate thieves... he still refuses to believe Obama will leave us a___ out! That we might need to think about job searching.  What will it take before we're totally screwed?!  Are American's beyond hope in terms of their belief in delusion???


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tc2ewraFeb. 5th, 2011
at 11:59 pm

@CaliFemme23
Some of us call Truth racism because to accept that Truth would meant they would have to check their own self loathing behavoir (assimilation).

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crammastersFeb. 5th, 2011
at 11:51 pm

@ Cali
don’t forget about the Dr Laura “N**igger rant” shortly after Omar Thornton, where the black female was married to a white man who didn’t say jack when his white friends and relatives made racist comments to her face.

remember, Dr. Laura, a white female, told her if she was so sensitive, she shouldn’t marry outside her race, and then Dr. Laura kept saying “n____r, n___r, n____r” over and over again

see, this is the SIDE of IR dating that Chili’s and Ray Ray’s “reality” show will NEVER show. But folks watch al that TV and think that is reality, even though they are living in the REAL world where racism is a constant reality, so i don’t get all the innocence

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crammastersFeb. 5th, 2011
at 11:32 pm
@ tc2ewra
brother, TRUTH is what some black folk don’t want to hear or think about, they still want to believe in the dream, in what Paul Mooney calls, “the illusion of inclusion”

that’s what slaves had to deal with when they were trying to run from the plantation, the same kind of blacks we are dealing with right now, who love their enslavement and white masters more than they love themselves and would TURN on their own PEOPLE just to please the white man

and it’s the same mentality that blacks during the civil rights movement had to deal with during the Montgomery Bus boycott and marching because there were always those black folk who were too afraid to fight, and were mad at the black folk who did fight

but after the prize was won, were the FIRST ONES to step up and enjoy those “rights” but would be the MAIN ones who would tell the freedom fighters that they were “wrong” to fight white racism

and Malcolm X wrote about blacks like this, who would rather deal with racism than support the blacks who were fighting it

this mentality is nothing new, but there will come a time when these black apologists and IR loving folks will have to be cut loose, because they will be a burden and will be the first ones to run and tell the white man where the “slaves” are hiding…

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crammastersFeb. 5th, 2011
at 11:26 pm

@ Cali
right! that’s exactly what happened to Omar Thornton, he went from being tormented on his job by white folk then went home to complain about white folk to another white folk (his girlfriend) and then got up and faced another day with racist white folk,

and if u remember, one of his ex-girlfriends (white) said, she used to hit on him and he would just take it, and how he put her family up in a hotel after their apartment caught on fire and wound up filing for bankruptcy (but she didn’t say JACK) about her family HELPING HIM after he spent all his money on them

and the last white girlfriend he had said, that he was real “sensitive” about race and didn’t like to be called a N_____R, which makes you wonder HOW she knew unless she was the one calling him one…

and IF that brother had been around black folk who could have pulled his coat because they had walked in his SHOES, my bet is he would still be alive TODAY



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crammastersFeb. 5th, 2011
at 10:59 pm
Cali,
i would suggest sisters check out a book called “Pieces of a Puzzle” by Reneathia Tate. This sister interviewed a lot of BW who had dated WM and interviewed some WM and talked about her own personal experiences in sleeping with WM and it was disturbing.

because MOST black folk know little about our history OR how the WM sexually used and abused BW during AND after slavery, they are letting the white media cloud their brains and make them think “Reality TV” is reality.

they watch Chili date all these white males, making it look all peachy keen, when in REALITY, all REALITY SHOWS are scripted, rehearsed and PHONY. That’s why the black person comes back season after season “looking for love” because it’s a TV SHOW, and after the cameras stop rolling the black person and the white “love of their life” goes their separate ways.
Any race of people who saw this scenario play out over and over, with the black person ALWAYS picking a white person, would smell a rat, but black people are still looking for some white person to validate us and make us feel “accepted” and so don’t see the GAME being run on their minds.

IR Sex is nothing new, nothing special, and not that hard to get. Why black folk act like it’s manna from heaven is beyond me. H___, any black male or female can hit a bar and wind up with a white folk in their bed in 2 seconds flat.
yet, some act like somebody is depriving them of food and water by criticizing IR dating

yet these same black folk will cry and complain and moan and groan about the way some white folk treated them, or why a white folk won’t hire them, or why white folk get better this and that than black folk, or will complain about all the Koreans and Arabs in our neighborhoods running all the damn businesses

and will NOT ONCE ask themselves why that is so even though the answer is OBVIOUS TO A 2ND GRADER: Arabs and Koreans STICK TOGETHER, RAISE THEIR FAMILIES TOGETHER, WORK TOGETHER, BUILD TOGETHER, AND GET SOME PLACE IN LIFE —

HOPEFULLY, AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THEIR DIS-UNIFIED, SELF-HATING, AND SELF-DISRESPECTING, WON’T STICK TOGETHER LONG ENOUGH TO UNWRAP A PIECE OF BUBBLE GUM BLACK CUSTOMERS.

they don’t waste a second of time putting each other down in public, or worrying about “integrating” or IR-dating, they are TOO BUSY running all the businesses and making ALL the money in the black communities





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CaliFemme23Feb. 5th, 2011
at 11:21 pm
@tc2ewra,
Yes indeed….I love it when even BLACK people tell me my way of thinking is racist..And that’s just white conditioning…
‘Reverse racism’ terminology is nothing more than the people in power trying to make those trying to gain their own power feel guilty about doing so…


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hawt d___ wrote:
I've seen both sides, I guess. For the most part, it isn't nearly as frequent as many people make it out to be. There are very few black women "looking" or "searching" for a non-black mate, but that's been exaggerated for different reasons for different groups of people.
Like you, I've noticed some black women dating out because non-black men were attracted to them and it was as simple as that. No bitterness. No black male bashing. No hatred. Just guy meets girl. I've also encountered black dudes who were similar. They just date everybody. No "I hate black women". No self-hate. They just date whoever. Normal people.
However, I've also encountered a few black women and men who use IR dating as a weapon, or at least who try to. These individuals never got the attention they felt entitled to, and so they worship white people and search for an elusive white mate to "get back" at the black people in our race that did not desire them.
Luckily, I haven't run into many of these types (as they all seem to be online on Topix...lol), but I'm not gonna lie and say I haven't encountered a few of these sad souls in real life.
The bad part about all of this is that I do believe that some IR relationships are legit. Sometimes you just like different people. But the crazies and the insecure buttholes and the self-haters are the sickening ones with all the agendas and the like.
Ah well. Such is life, I guess.
hawt
*COSIGNS....WELL STATED AGAIN!

*ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE: BASED ON BW THAT I KNOW LIKE THE ONES DESCRIBED HERE....AND I NOW KNOW A FEW....WHO ARE ABOUT AS OPEN TO BLACKNESS,BLACKMEN,BLACK CULTURE AS THEY ARE OWING ON THEIR FEDERAL TAXES....

THAT THESE BW SIMPLY OPEN THEMSELVES UP TO WHITE MEN IN PARTICULAR AND NOT BM....THAT IS THEY MARKET THEMSELVES TO THEM...BECAUSE THEY HAVE IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE,WHO THEY ARE...WHAT BEING WITH THEM WILL MEAN...THEY OFTEN SEE NO DOWN SIDE TO BEING WITH THESE MEN....NONE WHATSOEVER....BUT WE GO AFTER WHAT WE VALUE...*AND IN REALITY WE RARELY "FALL IN LOVE AS THE MOVIES AND SONGS ASSERT"....

ONE REALLY DOES HAVE TO BE OPEN AND LOOKING!..AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS ATTRACTED TO YOU...OR PURSUES YOU...THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THEM...*I HAVE WHITE WOMEN COMING ON TO ME ALL OF THE TIME....BUT I'M JUST NOT OPEN TO THEM!...AND WHEN I MET MY WIFE...I HAD JUST BROKEN UP WITH A YOUNG LADY THAT I DATED FOR A YEAR....AND I WAS "NOT LOOKING TO DATE....OR MEET ANYONE...WHEN I WENT TO LUNCH...WITH NO APPETTITE AT ALL"....AFTER HAVING MET SEVERAL OTHER ATTRACTIVE NONBW AND BW....AND IT HAPPENED....

I MET AND "FELL IN LOVE WITH THE GIRL NEXT DOOR"....WHO I NOTICED FIRSTBY ACCIDENT...WELL BEFORE SHE EVEN SAW ME....!...SHE SPOKE FIRST AND THE REST IS AS THEY SAY HISTORY!


-The Moor
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And I love President Obama! But he's making the mistake many minorities make.He's trying to change this country by using his charm, whit alone. He's a smart guy and he's trying his best to inclusive.Hey, I'm for that & if it wasn't for the obvious racism I wouldn't understand why so called Americans are fighting him so hard over every f'cking thing.In my community the number of protesters to his health care bill was ridiculous & news organizations even polled some Americans who didn't even have health insurance who were opposed to it! So, unless he is willing to push his agenda forcefully he will have done nothing more than aide in the old adage "the illusion of inclusion". Cause that's seriously all it's amounting to be. The first week of that mans presidency they were calling him a failure. Now think about who was saying it? That is historic and assisine. So, you can give all the wish upon a stars you want about the role race plays in this country & blame blacks all you want but blacks are guilty of a lot of things but continuing this race thing is not one of them.

We are at fault for consistently making ourselves vulnerable to it, not knowing our own strength despite our incessant bragging of strength which we clearly don't have, not making the choices* to help our fellow brothers/sisters and instead joining a chorus which blames them solely for their condition. It's like we don't understand balance--either we are sitting back doing nothing for ourselves or blaming each other. Not once have we had a serious discussion on solutions. And invalidating racism is NOT a solution-it may be convenient for you but it's not a solution.

-tam

I dunno about y'all but I grew up during a time where lookin' out for each other is what we did. Even in our neighborhoods, we looked out for each other. We all knew each other and when one of us did something wrong, we corrected each other. This new attitude that we have taken on now, all this hate and selfishness is not us at all. Black people always had great hospitality and we had love for each other. Most importantly we had fun. No one was shooting each other or shooting up drugs.

-Refined


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Redefined wrote:

You can interact with whomever. I'm just speaking of reality here. Just because some white and black people get along, get married and have kids doesn't mean the same supremacist views have died. The only difference today is whites and blacks can legally get married and raise a family together and blacks have the opportunity to get an education without being arrested.
Not to mention that many of the whites who get into relationships with blacks hold the same supremacist views themselves.

-TruthbknownLDN

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blaqpoizon-n-cureFeb. 3rd, 2011
at 3:58 pm

BM need to take their own advice on this one. No!! The grass is NOT always greener on the other side….they just want you to believe it is (the snakes) so they can lure you over there and eat you for breakfast, lunch, and dinner!


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crammastersFeb. 3rd, 2011
at 2:51 pm

@ lamont

brother, we got to be fair about this, Halle didn’t become famous and drop BM for a white male, unlike a lot of BM who, as soon as soon as we make it, we dump the black wife and deal white or Asian exclusively.

Halle didn’t do that, she had TWO black husbands before she hooked up with this white male, and remember, she DIDN’T MARRY HIM, and lose half her money, the way so many of us BM do.

Halle never said BM “ain’t no good” Halle does not represent all BW, or all unmarried “baby-mommas” so it makes no sense to turn this into a condemnation of BW or BM or baby mommas and baby daddies, or child support issues

I hated to see her hook up with a white male, but hell, she’s not my woman, so i don’t invest a lot of anger or animosity in any of this.

I think it’s a learning moment, with all the IR being pushed at black folk, to see that white people are NOT THE SOLUTION to our black relationship problems. What we need to do is learn our history in this nation AND understand why we are battling each other even while racism is devastating our lives.

Once we understood the forces that have driven the BM/BW apart over the last 500 years, we would stop fighting each other and start FIGHTING THE POWER THAT OPPRESSES US.


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Justa Joe on October 28th, 2010 2:32 pm
The first two gals on this thread were way to hard on that poor girl, Karrine. Bill Maher is obviously no gentleman. He is the hypocrit. I’m sure Karrine could debate Maher in a fair debate, but that is the problem. Maher doesn’t engage in fair debates. He ridicules, calls names, and bullies. Maher tries to sell himself as some “compassionate liberal,” but it is obvious in his inter-personal relationships with actual women Maher is a monster. Ike Turner would seem more repectful of women by comparison. Karrine has stated that Maher is afraid to treat white girls in the shabby fashion that he treated her. That wouldn’t be any different if Karrine was Saint and/or a rocket scientist.




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Soul Brother in London even though the world is evil which we are all aware of, it always seemed that blacks have to prove ourselves which is fine but when we do, we have to deal with hate or someone trying to sabotage our accomplishments. Obama is a great example. We live in a society were one race of people can accomplish things without worrying about others hating on them when trying to rise to the top because it's about maintaining power and control.

People do not understand that supremacy and power are one in the same. While I agree that blacks have issues, no one is denying this at all but the problem is everyone wanna deny all the little dirty tricks used to maintain power and control. The same tricks used to snatch up resources all across the world. Some of you are gullible but that's how you're suppose to be. The Bible clearly states Satan is the prince of this world and I for one wouldn't put nothing past a demon.

-Refined

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LOL. You are a sheep. Regurgitating the limited information you have as though it is gold and still coming up "wonting". Poor thing.

Let's say your "70%" is correct that would equal approximately 14 million Black women. However, there are approximately 43% of white women that are single. In other words, 64 MILLION. 50 Million more white women. However, that is not headline news because it serves no purpose, whereas with a Black women it serves to demoralise and create a laser focus of negative global attention.

White guys are excellent at "spinning the truth" and Black guys are good at being "fed" these truths and regurgitating them as facts.

-WowTheBoogieDown


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hawt d___ wrote:
Ah hell. I forgot all about the insecure white women who frequent circles where black males will be and try to talk trash about black women to make themselves more appealing to the self-hating black male rejects they can attract. They'll claim we LOVE white men too and that we want white male attention when in all actuality, a LOT of them are dating and f___ black men to actually get back AT the white men who rejected them as well.
What a tangled web all of this is...
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, most black women don't give a damn about non-black people period. We don't overwhelmingly love white men. We aren't jealous of white women the way some black men and white women want us to be in order to feel important about themselves and their relationships. We just don't care and I think THAT more than anything else, hurts these groups of people the most.
After all, how dare us "sheboons" not give a damn about this foolishness and laugh and enjoy our lives?
LMAO! How've you been Hard Truths?
hawt
Applause!!!


-ByChance
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L-des wrote:
I witnessed a thread about an African American woman having 15 AA babies. I'm not embarrassed for her because maybe some of her children can help make a difference. The White Media thought it was a CRIME. At the same time OCTOMOM gave birth to CLONE SYNTHECTIC ALIENS and she was awarded with A HOME, GIFTS and a lifetime supply of PAMPER, MILK FORMULA and TOYS.
Plan Parenthood was planted here for AA's to have abortions and stop REPRODUCING African American children. Which is why you will only see Plan Parenthood Clinics in Ethnic neighborhoods.


123 No they really don't have any power! The moment they speak out no matter how much money they attain their credibility will be constantly attack by the white controlled media. Until we as black people have some form of togetherness to protect our own. Our enemies will continue to have the upper hand. The moment black men worldwide say where willing to die to protect the present and future for our women children family and people.

If you look at any youtube video that is educating black people from the tricknology, European bull___ force fed to us through their education systems, you'll see whites with hundreds of comments trying to discredit the information. They're petrified, shaking in their boots. Blacks rarely comment on the MILLIONS of Neo Nazi, Aryan Nation, White Supremist vids they have on here because we aren't threatened by it. The ones who do this to us are fueled by FEAR.

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Note by Me: This doesn't justify the woman being sexually assaulted though, so I want to make that perfectly clear.

By Timothy

You make no sense.

I don't believe a woman (or man) should be in a mob of angry men just to get a newstory.

People with common sense already knew what the outcome could be....it's not rocket science.

I'm sure there are conference rooms in Egypt that her news agency could have used to have her safely interview (Oprah style) a few hundred of those men.

Even if they were rowdy, it would have made sense for this woman to be in a secured place.

It was other posters who mentioned she had been promicuious not me.
Actually I own my own home, both my kids have the same father, who I was married to before I had them. A tall handsome BM, who worked and lovingly took care of me for 20 years.

I don't drink, I'm addicted to working out...

I have no problem with any women if they're honorable and fair.

If Bfs can be called out even when they're not whorish...

WW can definitely be called out esp when many of them go overboard in being whorish.

Your stereotypes only work in your delusional head.
-Carol


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Kashta_Bureh wrote:

Sure, the International Criminal Court is going to "investigate Gadhafi for war crimes," okay, and what about GEORGE W. BUSH, who started a war in Iraq based on false intelligence(no WMDS ever found), and over 700,000 Iraqis have died since 2003 AND George W. Bush authorized torture but his White ass gets to retire a multi-millionaire in Texas.
This just goes to show that the United Nations is run by Whites, for Whites. They allow GWB to get away with war crimes and torture but they are talking about going after Gadhafi, the United Nation is BS and always has been, if they want to try Gadhafi then they need to try George Walker Bush at the same time, because his ass has done more dirt than Gadhafi.
I absolutely agree....How GW has managed to escape arrest and prosecution for the many criminal acts he committed while in office is beyond me....In fact, the whole Bush family has a tainted history from Prescott (Nazi sympathiser and funder) to the present....I found this interesting though....(there are many more links to the Swiss wish to arrest Bush available online, also)

Extradition of Bush to Switzerland could be the first arrest of the rogue element.

http://50kview.blogspot.com/2011/02/extraditi...

Have a great day, Kashta.....


-Sister Mary Spike

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Mercenaries wrote:
It seems that Gadaffi actually does have a tremendous amount of internal support. For some reason the Western media only seems to be emphasizing and focusing on the the rebels.
Thats because the West wants to overthrow him; the Europeans and Americans have no intentions of letting him stay in power......Europe and especially America has a stronger military than Libya so America and Europe WILL WIN.

Gadhafi will either "step down" or get "put down," don't think those Delta Force/Navy Seals won't smoke him like a Cuban cigar, the USA and Europe are "looting a burning house" and taking advantage of Libya's bad situation, Gadhafi only has himself to blame, if he was a truly good leader his people wouldn't be rebelling against him in the first place.


-Kashta_Bureh




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Carol wrote:

Actually the question should be if WW are all that..... why are they so hateful and absolutely vicious to bfs like me.
Why are many of them prejudiced towards attractive Bfs.
See when your plain Jane, Blonde usually with a flat butt... stepped into the fitting room with me...it wasn't my claws that came out.
WW are positively promoted as the best by mainstream media while mainstream media love to showcase the worst of Bfs.
So when they come across Bfs who are more attractive then them ... they can't handle it.
I'm speaking about ABSOLUTELY WHORISH WW from experience...
I don't know any of these posters and have only been on topix for a few months....but posters are bringing up threads about WW from several years ago that I could have written.
About WW going to the Carribean to buy BM...they'll do ungerage Blk boys....
I HAVE A YOUNG SON...I'm not supposed to be concerned about these whorish women?
Now why not say "hot blonde" as though any Bf would tremble with fear.
Jennifer Anniston is not more attractive than Kelly Rowland
Marilyn Monroe is not more attractive than Beyonce
Britney S is not more attractive than Janet J
You need to keep saying "hot blonde" because only the stereotypical words sound better...
AS WHITE RUN MEDIA AND SELL OUT RAP PUNKS HAVE VICIOUSLY ATTACKED AND TRIED TO DESTROY the words, black woman....
yet when we defend ourselves ...clowns accuse us of being what they are.
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I do agree that bw are under attack. Just as we've been ever since we got here. I don't agree with some people who make the claim the BW have VOLUNTARILY been with WM since the beginning of time. THAT'S A LIE.

BW's earliest dealings with WM was a time of rape and enslavement. This thread is just another example of the attack on black women.(Trying to make it seem as if we're all, non-black man crazy, when it's really only about a couple percent of Bw who are color struck). And when Solomon and his love were BOTH black anyway.

There are even posters on Topix who constantly go around spreading this nonesense as well. Even black women who OPENLY show love and support for bm are no longer safe. EVEN WE get accused of being "crazy IR bw".

Example - Topix Thread...

216 Elite A Phony? Say It Ain't So
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TGU0S54F9VCAF...

It is a well known FACT that both WM and WW LIE and go around POSING as IR blacks, esp. IR BW it seems, YET BW ARE STILL VICIOUSLY ATTACKED.

I'm not trying to get religious, but it's just the plain and simple fact that the ONLY solution to this attack on the black community is for us to turn back to the God we worshipped and the beliefs we had BEFORE slavery. AND IT WASN'T JESUS/JEHOVAH, ALLAH, CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM.(PSALM 82:6)

That's just how it is.

-The HardTruths

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crammasters Feb. 7th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
@ Southern_Swagger82
brother, I have a job, a wife who loves the H out of me, great children i take care of, a business, and I am not in and out of jail, so i guess that qualifies me as a REAL BLACK MAN by your standards…

I sincerely doubt being 5’10 (average height for a man) has nothing to do with your lack of success with BW, it could be the phrase “ride their ride” and the attitude that behind that phrase that might be causing u problems.

One of my partner is 5’4, and he pulls women like NOBODY’s business, I have seen this with my own eyes, and u got 6 inches on him. Dude’s got a great personality, a good sense of humor, he’s confident, a hard worker, works out and stays in shape, and most of all HE LIKES BW and treats them like he likes them, and so I guess the ladies like his total package…

no disrespect, brother, but you sound bitter as hell, and if you’re stereotyping 95% of BW as “selfish and trifling ass women”, hell, I wouldn’t date u either, I’d avoid u like the plague, the same way YOU wouldn’t date a BW who referred to BM as “selfish and trifling ass men..”

I didn’t crucify Method man, I commented on what he supposedly said. You can agree, or disagree, that’s your right, but it’s MY right to be a black Superman coming to the rescue of my black Lois Lanes. I will ALWAYS defend the women of my race, regardless of who likes or dislikes it.

you asked the question, “When was the last time Black women broke their necks to come to our rescue???”

u must be kidding! need i remind you of Jena Six when black women rode buses, drove cars and flew down to rally around six black boys they didn’t know from a hole in the wall? Most of the folks who came to Jena were BLACK WOMEN. The person who started the petition was A BLACK FEMALE COLLEGE STUDENT.
Most of the folks in every grass-root black organizations who are involved in helping black boys and young black males are BLACK WOMEN. Most of the black males READING THIS were raised, fed, clothed, nursed, supported, and educated by BLACK WOMEN.

ANY black male who can fix his mouth to ask what BW have done for BM is..well, I won’t go that low, but the MILDEST thing I can say about a male like that is…that’s a Gdamn shame to be that UNGRATEFUL.


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crammasters Feb. 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
@ tc2ewra
brother, if you asked most black folk if they respected Malcolm X, if he was a great black man, and if we could bring him back to life would that benefit the black race –

and most would say they did — even the ones who think I’m posting nonsense. Yet some are doing and saying athe EXACT opposite way of what Malcolm stood for…

what does that mean? I think it’s pretty clear that if Malcolm was alive today, they’d be throwing rocks and hurling insults at his head for encouraging them to respect themselves and our women

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@ ALL
second part of post from the book, “Trojan Horse: Death of a Dark Nation” in two posts:

How The Beauty Con Game Penalizes Black Males
“When you teach a man to hate his lips, the lips that God gave him, the shape of the nose that God gave him, the texture of the hair that God gave him, the color of the skin that God gave him, you’ve committed the worst crime that a race of people can commit.” – Malcolm X

(from the book)
STRAIGHT TALK ABOUT NAPPY HAIR
The black male’s secret shame (of looking and being too black) explains his collective disrespect toward black females, and it explains why so many successful, status-seeking black males deliberately choose non-black females.

It has less to do with non-black women being more desirable and more to do with what non-black women represent to the self-esteem-starved black male who measures his success and status by white (male) standards.


appreciate y’all letting me share this with you.

-crammasters

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crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted January 16, 2010

Brother, you're absolutely right. You have the right to date whoever you please. That was never in question...

And you're right, I am a "militant" about the survival of black people, and the need for BM to come together as MEN who make our black women and children and building strong black communities, schools, and business/economic bases our PRIORITY.

That doesn't make me a racist; that puts me on the SAME PAGE as EVERY other race of men who make the survival of their group (and women and children) their PRIORITY,

instead of acting like it's a "burden" imposed upon them by "militant" BM like me instead of OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS BM

It's a FACT that the black community cannot feed, clothe, educate, employ, or defend itself.

And it's a FACT that even the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES in the US who can barely speak English have stronger families and businesses than we do.

Why do we think that is?

The condition of EVERY community on earth is a reflection of the MENTALITY OF THE MEN in that community. Take a look at our communities. Who is missing in action, brother?

When I suggest we BM focus MORE on our GROUP INTERESTS ("we") instead of just SELF-INTERESTS ("just me") so we won't divide and conquer own potential BLACK POWER base, and alienate our own women,

And the response by (some) BM is resistance and resentment...

There is nothing more I can say

Because at the end of the day, BM will still be only men in the US who can't feed, house, clothe, educate or employ ourselves

And will have to keep going (begging) to the WM for everything we need

So, you tell me, brother, what's the real difference between the 1960s when BM had the highest UNEMPLOYMENT RATE in the US ?

and the year 2010 where BM still have the highest UNEMPLOYMENT RATE in the US?

Who should we blame now, brother?