Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Words in This New Era




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Like Richard Wright or Frederick Douglass, Malcolm X was a self-educated Black intellectual. He didn't have the advantages enjoyed by Dr. King or Paul Robeson. In a way, that makes his achievements all the more admirable.

-Savant

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Bigsmoke wrote:

But my point is the use of stone tools is very, very, very prehistoric, we're talking over 3,000,000 years ago in pre-Human species thus all Human species were stone tool users at least.
Neolithic Age humans were farmers as opposed to hunter gatherers who predated the neolithic revolution. They domesticated other animals and plants while creating permanent settlements. This was a drastically different/new way of living.
Humans 200,000 years ago were very different to those in the Neolithic Revolution.
The only difference are the lifestyles but this isn't really an indicator of Humans being less evolved like many of these scientists are clamming because even Humans going back 100,000 years ago were still using paints, beads, pottery (possible) & creating weapons according to the articles. Now there may have been less evolved species on Earth such as The Neanderthals.

-Redefined

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RealHistoryww.com Tackles Question When Ancient World Went From



BLACK & Brown, to white. It deals specifically w the North African 'Arab' issue at their section found @ http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/North_Africa/North_African_History.htm

Its now universally known that Africans were the first people to develop on Earth. FYI: Now even [white] scientists are saying [admitting] that advent of white-skinned blue-eyed blonde-haired folk is a relatively new phenomenon in the World, from the post ice-age Nordic regions of Europe- occuring as recently as 4000 BCE. That means that they could NOT have been any-where near Africa [IE: Egypt], Palestine-Israel [The Canaanite-Phonecians & the Hebrews], the Mesopotamia [Sumeria & Persia], the Indus valley, etc, etc, etc creating agriculture, culture, technology & civillizations in these regions at the same time that they were first making their appearance in the remote Nordic regions of Europe. In fact we may have to come up w a new model of how civilization began in Mediterranean Europe itself [IE: ancient Greece & Rome- see: 'Stolen Legacy', The World & Africa' & 'Black Athena- The Afro-Asiatic Roots of Classical {aka Greek} Civilization'].
So where did caucasian Arabs come from if the ancient peoples of both N.Africa & the Arabian Pennisula were Black? [& they were]? The conquest of the Greeks of Afro-Asiatic lands under Alexander was the first historically verifiable deep excusion of a 'basically' non-African / non Afro-Asiatic people into the ancient Black & Brown World. Then w the defeat of the legendary African General Hannibal by the Romans under Scipio [who got the title Africanus = Conqueror of Africa- for his conquest]- the Roman Empire was extended along the entire Mediterranean coast of Africa. Just prior to the advent of Prophet Muhammed, infamous European tribes IE: the Vandals also raided [vandalized] parts of N.Africa.
With the rise of Islam, including the African Islamic Moors' conquest of Iberia [the Castilian Christians finally expelled them circa 1492] the Euro-Christians counter-reaction was the Crusades circa 1100ACE - 1300ACE. Involved in this struggle for the Holy-Land were a people who adopted Islam but were clearly identifiable as non-African / non Afro-Asiatic in heritage IE: the whitish Asiatic Ottoman Turks. The Rise of the Ottoman Turk empire began circa 1300 ACE [thru 1922] immediately after the Crusades. They became the most influential Caliphate outside of the African Moors' control of Iberia. Their empire extended across the African Mediterranean coast from Morocco to Egypt, into Palestine-Israel & the Mesopotamia, & deep into the Arabian Pennsula- including Mecca & Medina [IE: the Ottoman Turks controlled the 3 Holiest Cities / sites in all of Islam- Mecca, Medina & Jerusalem- for over 600yrs]. IMO this is how N.Africa went from Black-African to kinda-sorta whitish-Arab [Its an interesting fact, as documented at Real History's site, that Black Islamic Princes often had whitish-turkish women as 'concubines' in their Harems, just as whitish-Arab princes often had African women for 'concubines' in their Harems]. YET There are still many millions of Black N.Africans & Blacks in Arabia, as there are Black indigenous elements scattered thru-out the so-called Mid-East- including Palestine-Israel.



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White america was horrified by the Black Panthers. The KKK was an actual terror group while the Black Panthers had a positive political and social agenda but the Gov't had what they viewed as the black KKK
All they saw were black men with guns that challenged white authority and they (the U.S. Gov't) aggressively fought it. In their day the KKK was FAR more dangerous but I assure you there was never a methodical attempt to disband them and it's clear why (they didn't challenge white authority).


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etrlf wrote:
What seems to escape some is that the populations that exist in west and southern Africa today were not always there. I know for certain that the Yoruba in Nigeria, the Ashanti in Ghana and many other tribal families tell of their ancestors migrating from the Arabia and the "middle east"(i.e Northern Africa in reality!) The various invasions from the far East and European lands in ancient times, as well as wars and famines caused these ancient peoples to move, at various epochs in history, to where they are found today. So learning of the ancient Egyptian, Kushitic, Phoenician, and ancient Babyloni histories is really being aware of what the ancient Africans did. And if the Olmecs were related to the ancient Ethiopians, and the ancient Celts and Scots to the Egyptians, is it too great a stretch of Bakari Neferu's imagination that the Old Oyo empire builders were probably related to the druids who built the stonehenge?
Truth. They are determined to keep division amongst AA's,West,East,North,and South Africans,etc.

-Nagas74

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ShavondaModerator23 hours agoin reply to William
First off I DO NOT pay attention to campaign ads. I, unlike others, actually research things for myself and I watched the darn debate and looked many things up via factchecker. I really despise it when people assume things. You know nothing about me yet you assume that I am an uninformed voter. lol if only you knew. So sir, since I got my inaccurate information from Obama ads, why did I not vote for Obama sir??? And also, since based on your statement I am "willing to throw my children & grandchildren under the socialist bus," please explain how I have done so? Also, socialism is not a bad thing. Many countries are doing much better than we are since they have abandoned the federal reserve and opted for government controlled healthcare & education seeing as though everyone gets the health services they need and everyone can get an education without worrying about swimming in debt before they can get into their chosen careers.

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I know it's not nice, but I am enjoying the discomfort of the right. They tried to destroy Obama. The made their top priority preventing his re-election. They spent billions of dollars, tried to rig elections, appealed to thinly veiled white racial resentments and paranoia, and were totally certain that Obama wa toast (and Romney's landslide victory a foregone conclusion).
Then on the night of Nov 6, they found egg on their faces. They're still dealing with the shock of Obama's win. Some of the loonier among them are even talking about secession from the USA.
What hilarious carnival of buffoonery these rightists are!

-Savant


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ShavondaModerator1 day agoin reply to John Ericks
I don't know your age but I do know that the things that you miss about the " Old America" did not start under Obama. Welfare benefits have been around for quite sometime. Also, the rules for said benefits changed under the Clinton administration. Example: individuals can only receive cash benefits for a maximum of 5 years in a lifetime and must actively be searching for work. A person has a limited amount of unemployment that can be drawn for a limited amount of weeks. Food stamp benefits are contingent upon active search for work and/or vocational or job training. There are also working families who benefit from food stamps also. Some of those people work two jobs but because the cost of living is so high & the wages are so low, they need a little help. Those same people can qualify for child care assistance so that they can go to work everyday. I went to school with a few people who benefited from these things. Medicaid & Medicare is included, which is based on age and income, social security is included under this umbrella of welfare and so are housing benefits like Section 42 tax credit housing that is determine by income and offers below market rate rent to a percentage of the units in a building or complex in exchange for tax credits, there is Section 8 & disability payments. The main people receiving the benefits that you speak of are the elderly & disabled.

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Grow up and stop your whining! The America you want to return to is long gone!! If it ever existed. That old America you refer to, is that the one where blacks worked for a living, but were NOT paid? WE don't want to go back to that America! So go FYS as far as that one's concerned.
Also, WHY r u afraid of the government? What illegal thing r u doing or have u
done? I don't live in fear of the government/police, because I'm not doing anything illegal. So I don't give it a second thought. You are a racist and everything about your comment tells us that. Stop hating and be about living your life to the fullest. Afterall, it's the only one you have and God don't like ugly.

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We still have the power, but we have a long way to go in really growing our power. We had the power to end overt slavery and we expressed the power to end Jim Crow and we still have the power to end the prison industrial complex and other ills in our society. Also, people are talking about smoking weed. I don't agree with smoking weed recreationally, but I don't believe that a brother or a sister should be sentenced to prison in the same amount of time as assaulters and rapists just because this person is a non-violent posseser of marijuana (which is proven to treat diseases and handle pain when used in the right fashion as expressed by Dr. Sanjay Gupta. I believe in the legalization of industrial hemp too as supported by people from across the political spectrum). The Drug War should end and replaced period ASAP. Also, these state laws don't allow children to smoke marijuana. It allows the states to regulate it. You have the right to disagree with this, but something has to be done to end the War on Drugs. People from across the political spectrum oppose this war on drugs. Also, Loving your neighbor as yourself last time I checked wasn't immoral.The injustices against Africa has been done by many factions long before the President was in the White House. The President deserves no passes on his errors, but it's bigger than the President. It's about a corrupt system that must be opposed with vigor, strength, and resiliency (not pessessism).

-By Timothy (Me)



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Nobody's "red-baiting"; you just don't know what you need to know. What will now take place, is that you will not get the help from those who were willing to help those less fortunate, BECAUSE they did have the means to. Let's just face it, and this is what you said you wanted it by voting the way you did. You want to be governed by someone who will now give people things that they couldn't get without government's help. The Democrat Party has "pandered to a population of people who always feel they are victims, so people who are given things, will never feel the need to work hard. It's like this dang "spoiled" (and maybe that's just who I'm talking to) generation who chose this kind of government--they feel "entitled". You ain't entitled to anything; you've got to work hard for it. The standard of living will be lowered by this type of governing, and those who work hard for what they get will always be scrutinized by those who are just given things. If someone has more, as a result of working hard, poor, lazy people are programmed that a person has more, because they took it from someone else. That's the real meaning of governing from behind. You create a bunch of people, that must be led all the time, and doesn't know how to do things, themselves. That's also how dictators come to power.
-Listennear2me



To Listennear2me:

This is a perfect example of red baiting since you claim that certain government interventions that can help humanity is equivalent to socialism. I know what I need to know. I don't believe in intellectual condensing rhetoric that you intrepidly display. Help to people less fortunate ought to come from both the public and the private sector not just the private sector. The Constitution in Section I, Section 8 allows the government the right to fund the general welfare of society. Society can be enriched with a combination of government help and non-government help. You just have some fetish against any government help that can prevent pollution, educate humanity, and promote
the social development of any society. Also, I am an Independent. I don't follow the Democrats or the Republicans unconditionally. You just love GOP talking points and try to indoctrinate black people to follow a more reactionary way of thinking. The good news is that most black people reject the indoctrination procedure (since war mongering and austerity are as abhorrent as oppression). Also, most black people don't consider themselves spoiled or victims in an offensive fashion. That commentary from you represents arrogance and a bigoted mentality. The poor and minorities built a large part of this society and it is no shame for a social safety net to be preserved at all. People from across the political spectrum work hard period. Just because someone is a Democrat doesn't mean that person lacks a strong work ethics. Poverty, socioeconomic problems, and discrimination have occurred and have prevented many people from experiencing work or a better socioeconomic situation (not laziness or inferiorities). No one said that people are entitled to anything. People said in the majority via polls that people should have Social Security, etc. if they work hard, that the Afghanistan war should end, and that poor bashing rhetoric is offensive. We have economic inequality problems and most poor people don't believe that all rich people steal from someone else. We are saying that trickled down economics has created economic inequality, which causes economic problems (via globalization and other problems). Most Americans reject your red baiting, poor scapegoating ideology. No real person wants a dictator. People want freedom. People want the general welfare to be enhanced and people fairness including opportunities wherefore society is greatly promoted. We want fairness not theft. We are entitled to some things. We are entitled to freedom, equality, and justice unconditionally.

-By Timothy

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Great points brother. Dr West should take the time to jump on struggling people, instead of taking those in power, who have greater impact on society, to task. Instead of blasting our anti-Constitutional, authoritarian, war criminal president, he should devote more time to telling black men to be fathers to their children, and young black boys facing adversity to hit the books.


lmao. you have it totally backwards. "by today's standards", reagan would be a moderate communist. jfk even worse. he was the guy who called the united nations "our last best hope". remember in the 60s democrats were actually liberals, pushing for progressive programs like medicare, medicaid, public broadcasting, civil rights, etc. today they're corporatists. this is the week obama will announce he's cutting 'entitlements' - when he officially becomes a republican.

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josefmarinaModerator5 days agoin reply to GhostNeo
There is no way you can tell us that Jill Stein's policies weren't more progressive than Obama's. If she and Rocky Anderson had been allowed to participate in the debates, the public would have been able to hear real issues discussed, and been able to compare between the candidates. Their platforms were better for this nation, for Americans, and particularly, for the poor and minority groups.

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josefmarinaModerator6 days agoin reply to Phaeton
First day after the election, they were organized, mobilised and on him, demanding he gives up the comprehensive immigration reform. They know that without their vote he would've been the ex-president, as there aren't enough blacks voting to make up the difference. If it wasn't for Latinos giving him their vote - with conditions - there would not be a black president now.

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 Voice Of TruthModerator6 days agoin reply to James Alexander
I think we can all agree to disagree, but Mr. West is far from a fool. Many said the same thing about Bill Cosby some years back when he criticized the current state of Black America. i think it's healthy to encourage differences of opinion as we all brainstorm solutions to our problems. There are things about the presidency that men like West and Tavis are bringing up that is worth paying attention to. I do think Mr. West should temper his choice of words regarding the President, but he has a right to critique the Office of POTUS, which is an institution that is separate and perpetual with respect to the man that occupies the office.

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josefmarinaModerator6 days agoin reply to James Alexander
My politically, historically challenged, prolific neoliberal, capitalist brother, Cornel West has been saying the same thing for over 25 years, 30 years. I am not encouraging you to go back and read his work or check his interviews, but you can do something as simple as get on YTube, do a search for his speech at Ralph Nader's Green Party event at the Madison Square Garden, and you will see that he has been highlighting the same issues: inequality, climate change, social justice, etc. You ought to be ashamed to disparage his character and commit the sin of bearing false witness, pretending that you have the authority or qualifications to mentor to him. If you want to give him some financial planning advice, then fine, but stay in your lane.
As for the role of government, we are close to the bottom of the OECD, index of so called developed nations, for inequality, infant mortality, level of education, etc. We are supposedly the richest nation on earth and yet we let people sleep on the street, deprive the poor - half of this country - of adequate education and healthcare, have an embarrassing level of infrastructure - for anyone who has traveled the world -, squander the lives of millions with a defective, punitive criminal justice system, and barbaric prison industrial complex, etc etc.
The fact is, the problem is our warped priorities, as Dr West put it, it is not because people want handouts, or in Reilly's words, "stuff". Just consider the trends in distribution of wealth and the effect that Obama's policies have had relative to Bush or Clinton (it's far worse). If we wanted public, universal healthcare, we could have it, and at about half of present costs. If we wanted to reform the educational system, and provide free university education, we could likely do that as well, while bailing out the students, so this generation won't be indentured servants. We could take billions spent on wars and empire and put them into nation-building at home. Etc. Etc.
You're right, the solutions are from within, but it requires real leadership up top. If we had a leader like FDR, he would be putting people to work, with something like the WPA, the Works Progress Administration, instead of wasting great American talent that could be building this nation. But we can't do that, we say, because that smells like socialism. And our president is no Kenyan anti-colonial socialist Muslim, no, not like the Republicans say. No, he cannot do that and we cannot do that, because we are not a socialist state. And it is not the role of the government to look after you, or be sure you can get a job, or have shelter, or get an education. No, none of this talk of a nanny state or social welfarism, we only have socialism for the rich, and a nanny state for corporate interests.

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josefmarinaModerator6 days agoin reply to Shari Neal
Who is PO? The president who followed PB? And PC?
Stop deifying the brother. He is an elected official, a politician. He has no credible claims to Dr King's legacy. Dr King was a prophet, a martyr, while Barry is a war criminal, an authoritarian. If you think I am being hyperbolic, look at his track record.
Your Democrat Party talking point about GOP obstructionism completely ignores the fact the Democrats had the majority in Congress the first two years. During that time he showed what an uncreative, reactionary, conservative politician he is. If he had advanced the hope and change he led people to believe was coming, then the Democrats probably would have fared better in 2010. Regardless though, you are ignoring his foreign policy, his renewing the Patriot Act, the continuation of Bush era policies, his signing of the NDAA, his insipid war on whistleblowers, his torturing of Bradley Manning, his murder of a 16 year old boy, and US American, Abdurrahman Alaulaqi, via drone. How can you defend that? That is PO, not PB, it is PO. PO is the more effective evil, than even PB could ever wish to be, because he put the left to sleep, he further tribalised black America, quickly integrating black America into the imperial project - rather than questioning it. In bygone eras, black America is where the critical voices of empire came from, but now we have black America waving the flag, getting behind PO, because he is said to be black, as if all that was wanted was a black face at the helm. And we have our black president now, we have our black imperial president, presiding over a crumbling republic, and an overstretched empire.


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Voice Of TruthModerator6 days agoin reply to Heru Ammen
"What Smiley, West, and other self appointed and white corporate backed African American leaders..."
Careful. Keep in mind that the Office of POTUS is white corporate backed, too, and in fact, Obama saved a white corporation called GM. The NAACP is also white corporate backed. The "self-appointed" label alone is sufficient.

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european enslavement of africans is the ONLY instance of slavery that has had lasting effects for centuries on a modern society, and that is our american society. it is also the only type of slavery in which it was law to treat and regard humans as less than human. it is also the only type of slavery that was used to build a capitalist economy. racism in america is not just "personal discrimination." it's deeper than that. much racism in this country stems from anti-black sentiment.


 
 
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And why delete your post? Oh...that's right. Because the TRUTH is horrific to you and you didn't want to unravel any more of it. That's the one thing about Caucasians. They don't like to look into the mirror. Note that when they mention their ppl were 'slaves too', they are trying to take away from the pain of AAs. If anything, they were merely servants - treated quite fairly. Enslaved AAs were treated like cattle and worse than feral rats.








european enslavement of africans is the ONLY instance of slavery that has had lasting effects for centuries on a modern society, and that is our american society. it is also the only type of slavery in which it was law to treat and regard humans as less than human. it is also the only type of slavery that was used to build a capitalist economy. racism in america is not just "personal discrimination." it's deeper than that. much racism in this country stems from anti-black sentiment.
Lol. You can try - with as much strength as you have possible to try to make me look like the bad person but it'll never work. That's possibly why you've wrote me three comments - or four. You are become emotive, based on something that I must have said. 'With people like you, of course racism goes on'...in better words, you'd rather POC ignore racism, pretend it doesn't exist and stop talking about all they have to endure at the hands of whites, because Morgan Freeman, a BLACK MAN said it?












Let all those that want to leave go! They will save all of us that want to work together the problem of bickering and defending ourselves against homegrown terrorist. I say to them all, "See ya and don't let the doorknob hit you where the Good Lord split you!!!

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Black women and men seem to be dying to be with each other, considering the fact that 88% of black men have black wives..

a number which seems to be increasing.

-Phoebes

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I am a happy black women that just love my black race from the lightest of light to the darkest of dark I don't favor one over the other,I just LOVE all of my race and wouldn't like it any other way.

-Raquelle wright

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