Saturday, January 28, 2017
I know the history and culture of my people better than you do. The progressivism of the majority of Black America--surveys continually show a social democratic inclination among at least 70%--80% of Blacks, and historical records show that progressive tendency at least as far back as Reconstruction--re flects a more intelligent understanding of social reality. Moreover, the most militant and aggressive forms of racism have always been found on the Right. (Liberals, socialists, anarchists and others don't bomb black churches, didn't lynch Blacks, and are not he ones currently involved in suppressing the black vote. But leftists have lead anti-slavery movements, labor, civil rights and other righteous causes). Also, there is no "democratic capitalist" society, only a plutocratic corporate capitalist autocracy. And more Blacks are aware of this than are whites, and hence are less likely to support their own enemies.
Black women or men--NEITHER of whom get much acceptance outside their own ethnicity--are entitled to mate and marry whom they please. That's their right. What I will NOT accept is their demeaning of men and women of their own group while virtually worshipping virtually any non-Black man or woman who walks the earth. Negro males and females who do that are rightly to be regarded as toms, coons and buffoons. There were IR Blacks in the 1960s (though far fewer than today) who supported the Struggle and did not demean men and women of their own ethnicity. Merely having a non-Black significant other doesn't make you a traitor. Demeaning your own people does.
Instead of our next president, we need another thread: "Donald Trump: America's First Fascist Dictator.
I do recall a book called Islam's Black Slaves which estimated the Muslim and Christians each took about 14,000,000--roughl y equal. Of course, there's something obscene about crunching numbers of human devastation. And I am not sure how estimations are done since I see different figures. Either way, both Christian and Muslim powers have some colossal crimes to answer for. And Africans were even the only ones they preyed upon.
My views in refuting people who want to red bait Dr. King:
Paul Robeson and Claudia Jones were Communists and heroes for black people. The FBI is known for lying and fear mongering. Hoover slandered Dr. King as a Communist when Dr. King publicly denounced Communism. The Highlander school wasn't a Communist training school. It was a school which promoted racial justice and labor rights. White segregationists slandered that school as a Communist school. Levinson left the communist party before the 1960's. I have noticed that the views of white supremacists are very similar to those who hate social justice. Hoover was a notorious violator of people's civil liberties. Also, Dr. King is not perfect and I don't agree with his imperfections, but Dr. King was right to oppose the Vietnam War, he was right to oppose racism, and he was right to fight poverty. I'm not a red baiter and I'm not in support of reactionary propaganda at all. There is nothing wrong with revolutionary change too. I heard of this red baiting stuff over 10 years ago, and I reject red baiting. On this Black History Month, I certainly honor black heroes which includes non-communists, socialists, communists, and other black people from a diversity of political views.
-By Timothy (Me)
More often than that, the disrupters are probably police and FBI agents. SOME riots (not all or most) that broke out in Black communities during the 1960s we now know to have been provoked by agents of COINTELPR. In particular, I learned during my research on Dr. King that the riot that broke out in a March 1968 demonstration intended to be led by Dr. King was provoked by police agents who had infiltrated a militant community group called "The Invaders." One book that talks about this is Michael K. honey's GOING DOWN JERICHO ROAD: THE MEMPHIS STRIKE, MARTIN LUTHER KING'S LAST CAMPAIGN. A nice documentary depiction of this situation (though it doesn't speak of FBI infiltration) is called "At the River I Stand." In another lengthier documentary (by a Baltimore film maker whose name I forget) called CITIZEN KING, Andrew Young says that some young dudes actually admitted to him that they were PAID to provoke the riotous disruption of the demonstration in order to discredit King and obstruct the Movement. So, while some-even most--riots are spontaneous outbursts of undisciplined popular anger, others are actually instigated, and very often by police and FBI agent provocateurs.
Some people live more online than in REAL LIFE. But all the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE in the world will not change some people's negative minds. Whether it be AAM2000A or Drilling for the Nerve", Cigar Face or SadbutTrue, that are some people who are simply obssessionally attached to their delusions. And a person unfamiliar with AA life in the USA as a whole would probably get the impression that all or most Black men and women hate each other, and that Black Love is nonexistent.. Yet for about 90% of Blacks, black love is actually assume almost as a matter of course and hardly even an issue of debate. Indeed, not even all IR Blacks are motivated by hatred of other Blacks, though some clearly are. People don't REASON in Topix, they mere vent. The person who started this thread ought to know that it's simply FALSE that there are "no more BM/BW couples." About 90% of the time that's ALL there are. And when AAM2000 claims that "black love is officially dead" one wonders where she gets the official authority to declare that the love lives of the VAST MAJORITY of Black people are dead. And one other thing: Those Negro males and females who are promoting this jibberish tend to be Blacks with the LOWEST level of social and political consciousness. They're dumb as rocks. There's a notorious negro male hater of Black women called "Tommy Sotomayor"--- I call him Uncle Tom Sotos--who when he's not vilifying Black women (and Black men he calls "simps" for supporting Black women), actually PRAISES the police for shooting down our men, women and children. He's a black fascist. AAM2000 is willing to reject the Black struggle because of her attitudes toward Black men. (That fascist pig cops kills sisters and children is obviously aside from the point) Notice that you don't find these attitudes among Black men and women who are committed to the liberation of their people. It's not that they aren't aware issues between Black men and women. But they don't see each other as the enemy. They realize that these and many other issues outgrowth of systemic oppression; that oppression breeds dysfunction, and that Struggle and solidarity are the only sources of any possible solution. And the more politically and socially evolved members of our community actually LOVE our people, love our people with all our strengths and weaknesses, with all our human beauty and ugliness. It involves a love and understanding that surpasses the limited comprehension of people like "Drilling, " SBT, AAM2000 and other shallow personalities.
Here's the killer. The only reason why blacks, whites, Latins or anyone else needs welfare is because CAPITALISM isn't working--except in the interest of the rich. But instead of getting mad at the capitalists, at th 1%, some people prefer to be angry with Blacks, Mexicans, immigrants in general, women, gays or whomever---anyone except the ruling class! The class whose irrational and repressive system makes welfare necessary. I know people on contractual employment who voted for Il Duce Don Trump (or didn't vote) who have health care coverage ONLY because of Obamacare. But they voted for a man who intends to take away their coverage. Folk need to lay off the Kool-Aid, man. Even at the university level, many of my contractually employed colleague--unlike "regular faculty"--wou ld have no health coverage without Obama care. (However, I don't know of contractual faculty who voted for Obama, probably because they're better informed). Hey, I'm a TENURED faculty person, and at least for some time needn't worry about my health care or job. But most people are not so fortunate. The less fortunate who voted for Trump (or didn't vote) really got DUPED big time.
Actually, that's quite RARE and more often than one suspects the work of agent provocateurs, often in the pay of police and/or FBI. And am talking about NOW, not 50 or 300 years ago. I've seen that often enough myself. And some of my studies of history indicate that violent disruptions are at likely to be the work of undercover pigs as of undisciplined elements within a demonstration. Oh, and Barros was RIGHT when he spoke of provocateurs provoking violent confrontations with police after infiltrating Black or Native American demonstrations. As for violence in general, right wing violence--includin g terrorism--is much more common than such violence from the left or even (at least in the USA) extremist Muslims. Dylan Roof was not a liberal, socialist, anarchist or Muslim. But he is much more common that the occasional Anarchist rioter or Muslim terrorist