Good thoughtful post. I like your point about the "50 Black prezes in a row..." So true. Of course Black people are gonna be behind the first Black president. It's like when whites get overly excited whenever there's a very good white basketball player.
Case in point. Who could have a problem with a thread listing great Black inventors. No rhetoric, no commentary, just a positive outlook on positive people. Yet the very next day after inception, it was deleted. Another thing I have noticed and I'm gonna bring an individual thread about this, is that have you ever noticed some of your threads don't get any responses. Or the responses they do get after going to the bottom of the list or only after the "second" post, are racists, no matter what the topic. It could be a what you had for breakfast that morning and someone will find a way to disparage it. Well after some investigating, I have found that the only people who see these titles on the list are you and the moderators, ergo, no responses. So the moderators purposely have the postive threads sabotaged from the start. And when they see a lot of people responding to a certain thread, they will go back into the archives and bring out really ugly threads to cosign with what everyone is discussing at the moment, so as to fuel the fires of the indignation that is already out there. They feed off our anger and negative energy. They are a sadistic bunch who will do anything to get ratings at our expense. We are gonna have to find a way around this, if we are to accomplish the purpose as to why we are here.
Not trying to put down Black men on this site, just you. I once read a Black male who was trying to get laid right out in the open on this site. And the so-called Black women he was trying to get with wasn't even a woman but a jew=ish troll. The worse part is the troll was going right along with him just like he was a woman. And then I saw another brother come into the thread and congratulate the so-called fake BW for talking gape. You are damaged if you can't see the manipulation going on here, by these m_tha fu__kin demons. Be watchful brother (if you are Black, if you're not then the message is for all true Black men) and study these MOFOs. If you don't they will have you twisted until you're in an untiable knot.
You are greatly misinformed. There are some of here who have done our own investigation. And this poster speaks the absolute truth. I myself came to this site just 6 weeks ago and was attacked almost immediately with curing, namecalling and vile suggestions about my
etc., just because I disagreed with some racist here, because I defended a lie against my people. And it has been that way every since. We come here trying to bring positive threads for the benefit of Black people and they get deleted, or interjected with all kinds of racist filth. This is a a forum for the use, entertainment, and upward mobility of BLACK people. Every else here is a guest and should act according. But they come in here like the own the place throwing their weight around with their useless racist banter. I for one have decided I'm going to stay and do what I can to help eradicate this site of it's filth. You are either for us or against us.
At least some of the toxictopickers have admitted that this birther nonsense comes down to color.
As a a white person, I agree with the "prominent African Americans" who are offended by Trump and other birthers because it is a disgrace to our country.
San Mateo, CA
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Mr Zaius wrote:
Do you understand what 'quantitative easing' actually is? Do you understand that every word that comes out of a US Presidents mouth affects the markets? You get that US policy sets the global stage for most of the markets?
Have you missed the fact that grocery store prices are rising rather quickly? Fuel prices? Everything across the board?
You need to get your heads out of the clouds and look at reality.
"Perhaps when we have put 50 Black prezes in a row in the white house, then maybe we'll start looking at the so-called real issues."
This country would be long since renamed Zimbabwe.
So what are 'the real issues'?
All black people are not given special, protected government jobs where they do not have to do anything but collect a large paycheck and have full benifits?
The real issue is that you cannot see past the socialist Presidents skin colour and you really do not care what happens to the USA anyway, because you believe white 'racists' are the reason you are a failure, and not your hate whitey attitude or your poor work ethic.
Zaius, No real thinking person supports quantative easing since that increases the debt rapidly and other economic alternatives are feasible in causing reforms.
Many things affect the market including the President's words. No one disputes that. People that disagree with you are just saying that the total economy is dynamic and multifaceted (and the President can't control all aspects of it since the FED, speculations, Wall Street, and other forces can rapidly change the market in specific circumstances).
I don't agree with higher oil prices, higher fuel prices, and other economic problems. The reasons for these things are because of the war on terror, economically reactionary policies, and the corruption of the currency by the Federal Reserve (not the poor or minorities collectively in a succinct measure). You know this. Many black people can do a wide spectrum of constructive acts that you racists deny. One example is that tons of businesses, teachers, scholars, scientists, lawyers, politicians, etc. are doing the right things and these people are black. Zimbabwe is trying to recover after imperialism. There haven't been 50 black Presidents in Zimbabwe (some of the acts in Zimbabwe are some that I don't agree with, but these problems can be solved via getting a handle on hyper inflation and other reforms).
Many black people do have private jobs not just government jobs. Also, most government jobs are held by whites in America. A government job isn't some handout since you have to have governmental background checks, testing, and other real requirements before you even achieve that job. The government is of, for and by the people, so having a legitimate governmental job isn't an example of laziness or leeching. It's a product of earned work. The real issues are the War on drugs, the war on terror, the economy, health care, the environment, and other issues that black people have discussed before you Zaius was born. Barack Obama isn’t a socialist since socialism is the belief of the government controlling all means of production in society. He doesn’t advocate that and he compromised to reactionaries' economic agenda. That definitely means he isn’t a socialist. I don’t worship the man, but black people have the right to respect their own black people. Also, real black people do believe in personal responsibility and not blaming whites for everything wrong in the Universe. We just don’t deny oppression, white supremacy, and other evils going on in the world. Racists deny these problems, but we will not. We will call for justice unashamedly. Tons of blacks have a strong work ethic for centuries, so Zaius don’t blame that slander to me. We in this generation will stand strong against your lies
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Mr Zaius wrote:
The only economics you lot subscribe to is the gubment giving you cheese that has been taken from the 'rich'. You don't care about wealth creation. You care about wealth redistribution.
Once again Zaius you prove me right.
Historically, your Austerity 101 seminar hasn't decreased the poverty rate in American history. You know this despite your denials.
The super rich in some cases pay no taxes and stole the cheese from the poor. The super rich (via multinationals, some in Wall Street, etc.) stealing the cheese via corporate welfare, tax breaks, and out right theft have been occuring for thousands of years. Theft and paying record low taxation for over 50 years doesn't equate into real wealth creation.
I care about wealth creation, but wealth creation doesn't come by draconian cuts in services and real programs. Wealth creation comes by ending the war on terror and developing a populist jobs/economic program that benefits all people from across the socioeconomic scale. Wealth distribution that's progressive, fair, and with compassion isn't a sin. Using taxes as revenues is found in the Constitution as the Constitution gives Congress the right to tax citizens.
Zaius,
I'm not some brainwashed Lloyd Marcus type of black man.
I'm a smart brother. I know how the game really is.
-By Timothy (Me)
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Zimbabwe is growing at about 4% right now. Historically, Zimbabwe has always been one of the most advanced economies in Africa. Mugabe did creater any problems. The problems were created by an unjust and illegal sanctiobn regime against the country. But, the neighboring countreis defended Zimbabwe and broke the sanctions. And the Chinese also helped.
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Mack wrote:
It was a real mess in the Ivory Coast when the former colonizers, from France, had to save the day. Dude just wouldn't leave even after he lost the election. Too bad no Supreme Court could have ruled in his favor and let him steal the election. Of course America wouldn't have tolerated that and ya know it!
I doubt that that mess is over. Any time France comes in to impose it version of what's right, I smell a
rat. France wanted this dude in there because he is their flunky. The other Christian guy was about socilialist development and France and the west did not like that. So, they bought and paid for a flunky. And, when he could not take power, they put him in power. He will probably try to dismantle the socialist programs. But, he has to subdues the resisatnce first. If this new guy is not legit and I see no reason to think that he is legit, this is only the beginning of a crisis, not the end. People are not likely to sit quietly while France steals their resources without paying a fair price for them. This could lead to another civil war.
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whatsthetruth1 wrote:
The guy I was tslking too was .....talking about the diamond miners in S Africa. But there's got to be a deeper reason for whats going on with the Chinese. I'm sure somebody who's African is getting their "palms greased" to looked the other way.
I get weekly intelligence reports so I can tell you what the Chinese are doing..........the Chinese are hunting worldwide for countries that have raw materials they covet. The Chinese are very cunning and deceptive. They have huge stockpiles of silver, gold, and copper but they are too smart to use up their own supply.
Instead, the Chinese will set up mining operations in Africa and South America in order to drain these continents of their ore, then, the Chinese will turn around, use this ore to manufacture finished goods, and then sell them domestically and back to the countries from which they originally mined the ore.
The Chinese are following an economic policy called MERCANTILISM. This is the aggressive economic policy that Europeans used centuries ago. Basically, it is economic warfare. The Chinese are waging economic warfare against everybody, including Brazil, India, Russia, and especially the USA. The Chinese are intentionally keeping their currency, the Yuan, undervalued to make their exports more attractive to foreigners, while at the same time reducing the domestic demand for foreign imports. The Chinese government has to make sure its people are fed and employed or social unrest will occur, as this is Beijing's worst nightmare.
Mack wrote:
We know Africa does not need another civil war. Maybe Ivory Coast can get it together because it would really be a shame if we have another coup, and unrest in another African country. Really too much of that already!
Another African coup may be in progress right now Mack.......my intelligence sources have informed me that the president of Burkina Faso is missing, his whereabouts are currently unknown and his elite soldiers have mutinied.......shooting was heard at the presidential palace yesterday.
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Please it would be nice if black people on a whole could unite but some AA's don’t even like to acknowledge that their roots hail from Africa some like to act as if their accentors are descents of America. We West-Indians have our own issues as well but I've never heard any of my fellow Caribbean’s deny that they are descendants of Africans.
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MatrixZone wrote:
And yet, the only reason your Black ass is here is BECAUSE of BLACK AMERICANS, the very people who fought and died in the Civil Rights Movement that brought about change in not only racist attitudes, but also in a racist immigration and naturalization policy in this country, and that actually goes for ALL non-White immigrants to this country, which also includes recent African immigrants. So, your attitude and your parents' ignorant attitude toward damn near forty million people in this country is just evidence of how far down on your knees you people are licking the boots of Whites and other non-Black people, because if you actually feel that way about "American Blacks," then, you should REALLY hate American Whites for how they feel about YOU since you are Black TOO, you dumb ass houseni88er.
We do need to deal with our own internal shortcomings, though. We were brought here as slaves and were forced to accept the white man's decadent social and cultural values. For instance, our women were forced into sexual relationships with white men, became pregnant and bore children out of wedlock. 150 years later, our women are still bearing children out od wedlock. And we do not have enough sense to understand why. Whenever someone criticizes such madness, we get all defensive and start talking about the Civil Rights Movement as if other Africans did not also fight slavery and colonialism. That is the wrong attitude. You ought to face up to the fact that no self-respecting people in the world will ever stoop as low as we have stooped in this country. 75% of our children are born out of wedlock. This does not happen in Africa or in the Carribean. Wake up.
whatsthetruth1 wrote:
dude i'm not here to fight you. if you have intelligent info., just pass it on. if I knew EVERYTHING....I'd make sure Africa was a 'super-power'.
Let's just talk and exchnage ideas. But, to have an intelligent discussion, it is best that we base our ideas on stady and research. Vincent Thompson's AFRICA AND UNITY is a good place to start. Also, Walter Radney's HOW EUROPE UNDERDEVELOPED AFRICA and Kwame Nkrunah's GHANA: THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF KWAME NKRUMAH and many other books. Kwame Ture's READY FOR REVOLUTION is indispensable.
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the blacksmith wrote:
To be fair, Liberia was set up to fail. How do you institute a government of people who have no knowledge of the locals and vice versa ? It was only a matter of time before Liberia collapsed.
I agree 100%
Liberia and Sierra Leone were indeed set up to fail from the start, the white man put the Ex slaves in the same neighbourhood as the natives which was a recipe for disaster!
The American-Liberians were said to of had running water, electricity, air conditioning, telephone service and college educations from the US and Europe, plus they brought beliefs in the religious superiority of Protestant Christianity, the cultural superiority of European civilization, and the aesthetic superiority of European skin color and hair texture.
They even recreated the racial caste system that was in America, however, in this case with themselves at the top instead of the bottom.
American- Liberians had single party rule for over 100 years, and all the men took turns with being government officials and getting rich while they suppressed the natives...There was resistance from the natives instantly which began in 1847 until they took Liberia back in 1980!
Black Americans made up 5% of the population while controlling 95% of the resources, of course this would lead to Blood-Shed eventually, a similar thing happened with the British set-up Ex slave colony in Sierra Leone.
On saying Liberia and Sierra Leone were set-ups, I do think that the American Blacks went there with the wrong attitude, I hate to say this but to me they sounded like a bunch of Uncle Toms, and if I was a Native African in Liberia at that time I would of slaughtered as many of those so-called "Americo Liberians" as I could.
Black westerners need to identify what mentality we have inherited from slavery and whites and shake it off right away, going to Africa and behaving like the Ex-Slaves did was unacceptable!
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Africana Queen wrote:
I saw in a documentary on the history channel that Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr were not friends and disagreed on many things on the progression of blacks in the AA community. Any way Im not a fan of Malcolm X, I don't mind martin Luther King though but this has nothing to do with Africa any way. Everybody should stay with their own community, you help within before helping others. Africans are helping their own right now and care for their individual countries to succeed not this black international coalition. If AA's and caribbeans want to unite by all means unite and leave africans alone
There were disputes among both men. I have disagreements with family and friends on some issues, but we are still
family. This is the analogy with Dr. King and Malcolm X. They have disagreements on the approach for freedom, but the goal of real equality for all peoples were still the same. By 1965, they agreed more with each other in common ground. Both opposed the Vietnam War, both believed in equality of all peoples, both opposed imperialism, both wanting black people to vote and have human rights, and both focused on an international thinking process in order to create genuine solutions to the problem of oppression in the world. They weren't totally close friends, but by 1965, there were certainly allies. Malcolm X spoke with Coretta Scott King in great terms and spoke in the South to speak up to desire voting rights for black Americans.
I believe in helping our own communities since a man has to improve his own house. Yet, we are human beings and if a person wants to help the human race worldwide, then that human being has the right to
help people internationally out of sincere reasoning (without exploitation). Also, many Africans are here in AMerica fighting for the freedoms of black Americans and marrying black Americans too. I see no issue with this reality.
Dr. King and Malcolm X united and shook hands by 1965 in order to fight for real black liberation worldwide. Both men were murdered before their plans were realized. In fact by 1968, Dr. King was sounding more like a non-violent version of Malcolm X by supporting African revolutions, opposing Vietnam, rejecting the mainstream capitalist system, calling for reparations, and accepting Black Power. So, Dr. King and Malcolm X were radicals and had more ideological similarities than some folks give credit for. Dr. King wasn't some "good" civil right leader acting as some token. He was a revolutionary that believe in the ending of the corrupt economic power structure in order solve the massive poverty issues plaguing the USA.
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AxeMeAnything wrote:
And equally, non-blacks have the right, nay, the responsibility to fight against attempts by blacks to tip the scales unequally in their favor over some perceived slight or skewed notion of reparative justice.
We are not required by PC bullshyt to accept sloth, rampant crime or festering disease as the "birthright" of blacks simply because they don't like the rules.
Organize, elect people to change the rules for you, and most of all, get beyond 13% of the population and contribution something besides a massive black hole of debt before you expect the country to bend over backwards to accommodate your incessant childish whining.
You are the reason why I will always stick by my own people.
Now, here's my response to you:
Legitimate promotion of compensation have been shown among ethnic groups for thousands of years. Jews, Japanese, and other races have been given monetary payment after they have experienced demented treatment. We should of gotten real reparations immediately after slavery. Now, this isn't going to happen. What can happen is for my people is to ignore your mentality and promote our own self interests though. We should unite, create more businesses, and adhere to our real cultural essence.
You made it clear about how you feel about us, so we make it clear about how we feel about you. It's quid pro quod feeling in a way. Also, many laws like the Civil Rights Act and other policies weren't even meant to socially dominate you. They were meant to promote equality in society and prevent discrimination that was more overt decades ago. See, you equate legitimate policies meant to create a more equitable society to nothing more than some quaint quota system (when race-based quotas are banned from the Supreme Court). We blacks don't want to tip the scales in front of your race. We just want to live in tranquility in a society when the scales are balanced.
I'm also not bound to promote PC garbage either that adheres to colorblindness, a sense of sucking to whites, a worship of reactionary politricks, and a sense of self-hatred that a lot of House Negroes embrace. Real black people don't embrace those evil ideologies. Problems like crime, disease, prostate cancer, etc. exist in the black community. No one denies that. It's your type that tries to magnify these issues and claim that it's almost a black problem (or promote the lie of black inferiority) when these problems in America exist across racial and socioeconomic backgrounds (i.e. most people on welfare are white people). No one is changing the rules to benefit us. How is the Patriot Act, austerity policies, and other stuff like us benefiting my own black race? It may benefit a higher socioeconomic stratus though.
Standing up for justice and standing up for reforms aren't whining. See, your kind wants us to bow before you and accept your lies. Yet, in this generation, we don't beg and we don't worship your illogical political ideologies. So, you will make me more apt to stand up, speak up, and act up in favor of truth, justice, and real righteous actions. These things are things that you can't take flight from.
You can't take flight from reality or the truth. I don't need Cindrella or embrace some Beverly Hills 90210 fantasy land when I have solidarity my own black people.
I mean your kind as in racists or reactionary extremists not all white people since many progressive, civil, and decent whites exist in the world.
By Timothy
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CaptainDelight wrote:
As long as we have to pay for you and put up with you, you will be our business.
You don't have to put up with us or pay for us. You have the right to and are invited to leave. And beyond that, do like everybody else in this country has to do, accept what you cannot change like where your
tax dollars go, and move on with your life and leave ours alone. There is no stipulation with the payment of taxes that says you get to dictate "how" the road is maintained or who's working the project. We are not
your business anymore and you "will" stay out of it. We will see to it.
-Ankhsanamen
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http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/liberation_curriculum/malcolmx/lesson3.htm
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BigsmokE8 wrote:
That is the problem.
They’re only in the limelight here in the west because the west wants it to be.
There is an element of truth in this, however the media is reporting what is happening, it is the western interpretation of the pictures we are seeing that we have to watch out for.
We can also verify many of what we see simply by speaking to the thousands of African immigrants that flock the US, UK and Europe for that matter, they would be in Africa if things were that great back home!...
I have yet to hear any African dispute what the media has shown, the best you will hear them say is "that is not happening all over Africa".
We know that the Chinese are all over Africa buying as much
Raw material as they can lay their eyes on, we know that the French are in the Ivory coast dealing with an election problem, we know NATO is in the North and we know that South Africa is full of White people not to mention the Arabs in the East and Africom on stand-by.
We do not need the media to tell us these things are happening, Africans can and do confirm much of it themselves!
BigsmokE8 wrote:
So in short me and you know next to nothing about what is really going on in Africa other than what we here in the west are told.
I have family who visit Africa on a regular basis and are moving there very soon, plus I am in contact with a Non-Profit black Organisation called Ethiopian World Federation who do much Charity
work in Africa and have acres of land in Shahemane/ Ethiopia, I also talk to hundreds of African Students at my University on a daily basis, so I hear ground level stories, I must say the media does have an obsession with highlighting the negative aspects of Africa, however, they do exist and much more we do not hear about in the media!
BigsmokE8 wrote:
Who do you think supported these fools who supported that guy who was taken out of Egypt? Remember Tony Blair kissing the Libyan leaders ass not so long ago?
Exactly, so isn't it full time Blacks/Africans learned not to trust the white man as he will put you in power then spit you out once he has finished using you, this was done to Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Taliban, Mugabe, Ide Amin and so on...Whites put these people in power or supported them until they were useful then...
BigsmokE8 wrote:
Africa DOES NOT need to unit and DOES NOT need our help.
African disunity hasn't helped the continent so far, so it is time they tried Unity, and "Africa doesn't need our help" but yet millions of them are a risking their lives to escape Africa every year.
-The Revolutionist
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I am one, of the few people remaining, who was at the Audubon Ballroom when Malcolm X was assassinated.
In my retirement, I have been writing about my life experiences as a socialist, as a participant in the Black Liberation Movement, the Union Movement, and almost all social movements.
In 1991, at the time Spike Lee's documentary movie on Malcolm X was due to be released, several books were written that attempted to camouflage Malcolm's political evolution during his last year. Two such books were Malcolm: The Life of a Man Who Changed Black America, by Bruce Perry and Malcolm X: The Assassination, by Michael Friedly. In my opinion, these books are a second assassination of Malcolm X. I consider Manning Marable’s book to be another such assassination.
In dramatic contrast to Perry's and Friedly's conclusions about Malcolm X's assassination, there is the Karl Evanzz’s book, The Judas Factor (Thunder's Mouth Press, New York, 1992. 389 pp., $22.95).
After reading these books I then began to write an essay,
The Assassinations of M.L.K. Jr. and Malcolm X based upon by eyewitness experience and what I learned from Karl’s book.
I believe that the government had the motive to organize and orchestrate the assassination of Malcolm X, due to opposition to the Vietnam War and his solidarity with the liberations struggles that were going on at that time. He was even able to force African states to take a position against United States racism and Jim Crow for the first time.
Marabel documents the possible motive for the Nation of Islam to assassinate Malcolm, but he gives no hint on why the government had motive, for Marabel denies the man that Malcolm X had become in his last years.
In my update to the essay, The Day the Music Died Malcolm X’s Assassination, Feb. 21, 1965,
http://sfbayview.com/2011/the-day-the-music-died/, I identify William Bradely, the man whom Marabel describes as one of the assassins, and a member of the Newark NOI, as an undercover operative of the government.
Marabel did not even research when Clarence Jones, Martin Luther King’s lawyer, stated in the CBS documentrary,
The Real Malcolm X, An Intimate Portrait of the man, narrated by Dan Rather:
“. . . . Knowing what I now know of the various agencies of the US government investigative agencies of the US government with respect to Martin King, for example, and knowing what they did to political parties, like the Black Panther Parties, I have no doubt that the assassination of Malcolm X was calculated, planned by agencies at the highest level of this government. I don't have any question, I don't have any doubt in my mind that is what happened...”
King’s lawyer exposes more than Marable’s book.
At the time of their assassinations, both Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were embarking on a course in opposition to the capitalist system. It is clear from reading and listening to their final speeches that they had both evolved to similar conclusions as to capitalism's role in the maintenance of racism. That is why they were “neutralized” (Assassinated).
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for sharing your insights and experiences. I don't suppose the good professor contacted you, one of the last persons who saw alive????
I don't claim to have indulged in the scholarship and research you and others have, but as a function of critical thinking I agree with you. The cr____ were cool when Malcolm and Martin kept things "local" but when they started challenging global capitalism and linking the war on poverty with US militarism and colonialism, s___ hit the fan, and they had to go.
Well wishes to you and your continued research/journey.
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The Libyan Rebels have rejected another truce offer- this time by the African Union [AU], effectively stating any offer that doesn't result in Khadaffi's unconditional surrender is unacceptable. They also implied that the AU are basically stooges of Khadaffi, & their attitude toward the 5 African leaders was rather hostile. This is at-least the 2nd [or possibly the 3rd] attempt at a negotiated truce that the rebels turned down. Pres Hugo Chavez attempted to broker one early in the conflict- which the rebels turned down flat- while demanding that the US, UK, France & NATO impose their so-called humanitarian no-fly zone allegedly to protect civilians. Its obvious that these rebels can't beat or even stale-mate Khadaffi's forces head-up- & Khadaffi would have re-taken Benghazi & crushed them without this US, UK, French, NATO intervention on their behalf. The UN, US, et-al keep demanding that Khadaffi cease fire, but the rebels don't want a cease-fire [it takes 2 to tango] - plus Khadaffi asked the UN to send a fact finding mission to Libya which the US, UK, France et-al rejected. This state of affairs [IE: the rebels refusing to negotiate a truce- even though they can't take Khadaffi out on their own] only makes sense if the rebels are confident that the US, UK, France & NATO won't let Khadaffi retake Benghazi & crush them -&- That much of the rebels contingent [especially at the leadership level] was/is in cahoots w the US, UK, France, NATO, Egyptian Military, the House of Saud, etc- from the GIT-GO.
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Note by Me: I don't agree with all of socialism, but what we have now is archaic.
By Timothy
The problems we face are radical. I do not say this to diss MLK. I am sure that he was radical too. He was older than Malcolm. When he started fighting in the 1950's Malcolm was probably locked up in jail. But, it was radical to say down with Jim Crow. Folks want to sugar coat it now. But, in the 1950's the National Baptist Convention saw him as so radical that he was forced out of his own church and had to start a new one called the Progressive National Baptist Convention. The things that MLK stood for back then, Unlce Toms still oppose this day. But, since he is dead, they want to coopt his name and forget what he stood for. MLK's ideas have not been implemented because they are too radical for most people in this country.
When Malcolm came along, he laid the foundation to take the Struggle one step further. Thus, after the Civil Rights laws were passed and problems still had not been solved, it was Malcolm's ideas about Uniting with the Africans in Africa to confront our common enemy that moved us forward and brought us to this point. All I am trying do right now is to pick up the work of Malcolm and Kwame Ture and pass it on to the next generation.
chaos411 wrote:
i think this is where the problem with this thread comes in..the problem is the way people here are defining African Unity..for some its having 1 country, with 1 army, 1 government, and 1 president (and for those who are delusional, an arab muslim president)..for those who are currently living in africa, only those who come from very impoverished nations (eg: Lesotho) and/or those living in failed states eg: Somalia may want 1 african country, but for the rest of the continent and the vast majority of african (even those abroad) african unity means every african means all 53 african nations moving in unison politically
This is the crap that Nyerre forced upon the OAAU. At that time, it was not an Arab Muslim president. It was a Christian black African named Kwame Nkrumah whom Nyerre accused on wanting to be the "emperor of Africa". Nyerre later claimed to be for "unity" with a small "u", of course. But from day one, he fought against Unity, big "U".
chaos411 wrote:
(no inner country and regional conflict)
And this is why he attacked and invaded Uganda. Idi Amin's Uganda was allied with African Unity. It was after Idi Amin was elected Chairman of the OAAU (recall Qaddafi) that Nyerre allowed the British to pay him to invade Uganda. Idi Amin was a Muslim. But he was black, not an Arab. So this is not and has never been about race. This is about Uniting or not Uniting.
It seems that every time a serious Pan-Africanist becomes Chairman of the AU, the whites isolate him, demonize him and attack him. We need to learn from our history and stop repeating the same old mistakes.
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chaos411 wrote:
economically (steady, upward economic growth) and socially (job creation, poverty alleviation and infrastructural development to enhance inter country & regional trade. it means political, economic, and social growth of the african continent bcos of the growing strength & stability of each individual sovereign african nation and not inspite of it. either than its minerals, diversity is what makes africa a rich continent. that will never be sacrificed, but it should also never be used as an impediment to this goal either.
Like China which is rapidly becoming the greatest economic power in the world surpassing Euope and America, Africa MUST Unite in order to rapidly develop economically in order to compete in this world. When Africa Unites, we will benefit from the economic efficencies of scale. That is to say, we will avoid un-necessary duplications of effort, for example. This is economics. If South Africa devotes itself to
car manufacturing, why should Egypt compete with her? Instead, Egypt might focus on airplanes while South Africa focuses on cars. This way we develop two industries instead of one. And, all of Africa will benefit.
I guess the key to understanding modern economics and the need to Unite for economic efficiency, we need to think in terms of industry and not just of resources alone. Resources are Gifts from GOD. But, humans must develop industry. Therefore, we must think big and not be mentally and poliitcally and economically and intellectually lazy.
chaos411 wrote:
one thing you must notice is that with continued african economic growth, the economies of Europe and America will continue to fall (already 3 european countries are experiencing negative growth rate) bcos a stable africa is not good for the West.
To the contray, a developed Africa will benefit the whole world. Instead of suffering and dying from poverty a propserous Africa will contribute towards the well being of all humanity.
chaos411 wrote:
this is bcos to get the materials needed to make ipods, laptops, etc in the West, African countries cannot have a stable political system in order to make it possible for the continued robbery of the Nations of Africa.
No. Just as it took Islam to drag Europe out of the Dark Ages, it takes the Light of Islam and of Pan-Africanism to bring the world an economic way that is better than European capitalism which is based in slavery and oppression and the colonization and rape of others. Instead of stealing gold and other resources from newly discovered peoples in the Americas in order to get rich, we must learn to implement advanced economic principless to develop. Socailsim is the most advanced system yet devised by humanity. To bring about socialist development, we must Unite. Learn from China and India and the USA and Russia.
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matima wrote:
we are all a work in progress
Absolutely!
matima wrote:
But unlike you,I see the change for the better in a number of African countries and I can see the potential in others
There has been a change for the better in all black communities all over the world over the last 70 years, think back to 1930's and how blacks were treated then, as I recall blacks were being hung in the streets in places like America by evil White people and Africa and the Caribbean Islands were still under colonisation, we all have come a long way, but while Africans see fit to point out the pitfalls of Black America and the Caribbean Islands they must also be prepared to have us talk about Africa's negatives...
There are Africans on this forum going around Bragging about the sale of Africans during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, this is the most disrespectful and barbaric act in my eyes, I have yet to hear any Non African black laughing and poking fun at Africans dying in Africa.
matima wrote:
I see hope in the future,you see doom and gloom.I am an African you are not,so you do not care if everything goes tits up,in fact you would like that and see that as payback
You see, that is just not going to happen,there are a lot of people that believe in the great African continent
We actually want to see Africa do well, but at the same time doing well at what cost?... selling all your land and resources for buildings and railway lines is not doing well, it is called being MUGGED!..That is all we are trying to say, is Africa aware of what they are doing or do they trust outsiders like the Chinese, Arabs and NATO whole heartedly, which it would seem they do.
If Africa booted out the Chinese and asked professional Blacks from all over the world to come and help them build the continent they would be much better off in the long run, in-fact this is the only way Blacks could actually put ourselves on the Map as a respectable people and formidable force, having the Chinese build Africa will only see Africans being viewed as useless, forevermore!
We as Western Blacks have been around these people a lot longer than Africans and have valuable insight to offer into how these lying two face scumbags work, but we are seen as being nosey as if we are trying to tell the Africans what to do with their Countries or Continent!
matima wrote:
It is OUR business as Africans and we do not want negative strangers poking their noses
You mean you do not want descendants of slaves poking their noses in by having opinions, but you let the Europeans, the Arabs and the Chinese do whatever they wish in Africa!
-The Revolutionist
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the blacksmith wrote:
From what I have read, it had more to do with culture than being Uncle Toms. Uncle Toms don't even treat other blacks like equals but from what I understand, Americo Liberians treated each other properly regardless of features or skin complexion. Same with Creole in Sierra Leone. They would intermarry among their own all the time too.
I hate to fill you in on the harsh realities of Liberia bro, but Americo-Liberians actually had a cast system with, guess who at the top of the food chain?... Yep the mixed race Ex-Slaves.
The first Americo-Liberian president was a man called "Joseph Jenkins Roberts" (1850).
I have seen a picture of this chap and he looks like a fiery eyed white man!...The story gets worse!
the blacksmith wrote:
What bothers me about the Americo-Liberians and the Sierra Leone Creole people is that instead of demanding for their own, self governed region and letting the indigenous people control their own region, the new arrivals decided to try and govern everything themselves and exclude the locals. It's like they thought that there would never come a time where, since they were such a small minority, the locals would eventually rise up against them. I don't understand that thinking at all.
The reason for this is not because of complacency, it is because the Americo-Liberian settlers in 1878 organized their own political power called the True Whig Party/Liberian Whig Party (modelled after a white political party in America) which permitted no organized political opposition. Until 1980, the Americo-Liberians firmly held onto their position of authority, meeting with unremitting uprising, rebellion and riots from the native peoples...It was a one party state for over 100 years!..
The indigenous population were banned from voting, only American settlers and their descendants could vote, this party also worked in tandem with the Masonic order.
The party also enforced systems of forced labour, it is recorded that some natives were even sold as slaves to
Spanish Colonialists, this actually led to a five-year U.S. and British boycott of Liberia around 1930, however Liberia was viewed as a non-threatening stabilising force so they received heavy investment under President William Tubman (1944-1971).
This is why I called them Uncle Toms, they had a cast system, they oppressed and enslaved indigenous Africans while treating them like second class citizens, barred them from voting, controlled 95% of the resources and to top it all off, they were in league with the Free Masons which is never a good thing!...Liberia was doomed from the start!
the blacksmith wrote:
If ever there is another mass migration of western blacks to Africa, I think that we should all settle in one region and govern that region. Leave the rest of the continent for the locals to figure out. We'll work with them if they want to work with us but that's as far as it goes.
I agree, they should only be allowed to govern themselves only, and have no special treatment as this breeds resentment!
-The Revolutionist
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the blacksmith wrote:
To be fair, Liberia was set up to fail. How do you institute a government of people who have no knowledge of the locals and vice versa ? It was only a matter of time before Liberia collapsed.
I agree 100%
Liberia and Sierra Leone were indeed set up to fail from the start, the white man put the Ex slaves in the same neighbourhood as the natives which was a recipe for disaster!
The American-Liberians were said to of had running water, electricity, air conditioning, telephone service and college educations from the US and Europe, plus they brought beliefs in the religious superiority of Protestant Christianity, the cultural superiority of European civilization, and the aesthetic superiority of European skin color and hair texture.
They even recreated the racial caste system that was in America, however, in this case with themselves at the top instead of the bottom.
American- Liberians had single party rule for over 100 years, and all the men took turns with being government officials and getting rich while they suppressed the natives...There was resistance from the natives instantly which began in 1847 until they took Liberia back in 1980!
Black Americans made up 5% of the population while controlling 95% of the resources, of course this would lead to Blood-Shed eventually, a similar thing happened with the British set-up Ex slave colony in Sierra Leone.
On saying Liberia and Sierra Leone were set-ups, I do think that the American Blacks went there with the wrong attitude, I hate to say this but to me they sounded like a bunch of Uncle Toms, and if I was a Native African in Liberia at that time I would of slaughtered as many of those so-called "Americo Liberians" as I could.
Black westerners need to identify what mentality we have inherited from slavery and whites and shake it off right away, going to Africa and behaving like the Ex-Slaves did was unacceptable!
-The Revolutionist
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I agree with you LE. WN has nothing to offer BW. He dogs women out, & then knocks them up with out even putting a ring on it. He is just like any of the non good BM that some women complain about. But just because WN is white I guess that is why he gets a pass. I just don't understand. I'm a BW but I love the skin I'm in I could never see my self kissing a WM ass like that just because of the color of his skin. That sounds like self hate to me & something only self loathers do, not proud BP. The black females who put him in his place & don't feed into his B.S. get bashed, called names, & are treated like criminals here.
How could someone complain about BM making OOW babies, being drug dealers, calling women disrespectful names, etc. When WN does the EXACT same things as these women accuse lowdown BM of doing. WN has sold drugs (he admitted to that), making OOW kids, calls women sluts & whores, but it's a double standard because he's a WM? This is sad & that is why so many people call blacks brainwashed, color struck, & subservient to whites. White people get a way with murder & black people will kiss their ass regardless of what these whites are doing wrong. It's like to them 'almighty whitey' can do no wrong in their eyes. It's really no wonder why every thinks black people are a joke. Look at how our people behave.
To me it's not different. Anti-Chaos does the same thing. Claims he loves BW but then calling them names. I have exchanged words with pro-chaos opps I mean ANTI-chaos in the past. I'm down for BM but not BM like him he's too wishy washy & hypocritical because he praises WW who like BM but calls IR BW names. He's a hypocrite.
Only thing I can say though, is at least anti-chaos does not post those degrading pics like White November does but as far as the name calling thing goes they're both in the same boat.
-NYChoney
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Some folks think they can…
Maybe she lost a lot of roles to white women so now she’s going back into black mode, LOL…
Notice that when things are going well for some black people, their outlook on whites and racism is “oh, race is not a factor” or “give white people a chance” but once they are shown the door by their “new friends”, they switch it up and start sporting the black fist and you are like, WTH?