Good thoughtful post. I like your point about the "50 Black prezes in a row..." So true. Of course Black people are gonna be behind the first Black president. It's like when whites get overly excited whenever there's a very good white basketball player.
Stop throwing these blanket blatant lies out in public. You are responsbile for the words you put out in the universe. No one man is responsible for the fluctuation of anything on the market and you know it. Our Black pride is not idiotic. Perhaps when we have put 50 Black prezes in a row in the white house, then maybe we'll start looking at the so-called real issues. Most campaign promises are NEVER met, so white people just continue to vote for the same ole pre-meditated, knowledge of forethought BS over and over and over and over, no matter what party it is. At least we have a well-defined, unquestioning reason that we can see, that nobody can take, alter or lie about. Now what?!
-Spikewebbe
On some in topix.com:
Case in point. Who could have a problem with a thread listing great Black inventors. No rhetoric, no commentary, just a positive outlook on positive people. Yet the very next day after inception, it was deleted. Another thing I have noticed and I'm gonna bring an individual thread about this, is that have you ever noticed some of your threads don't get any responses. Or the responses they do get after going to the bottom of the list or only after the "second" post, are racists, no matter what the topic. It could be a what you had for breakfast that morning and someone will find a way to disparage it. Well after some investigating, I have found that the only people who see these titles on the list are you and the moderators, ergo, no responses. So the moderators purposely have the postive threads sabotaged from the start. And when they see a lot of people responding to a certain thread, they will go back into the archives and bring out really ugly threads to cosign with what everyone is discussing at the moment, so as to fuel the fires of the indignation that is already out there. They feed off our anger and negative energy. They are a sadistic bunch who will do anything to get ratings at our expense. We are gonna have to find a way around this, if we are to accomplish the purpose as to why we are here.
Not trying to put down Black men on this site, just you. I once read a Black male who was trying to get laid right out in the open on this site. And the so-called Black women he was trying to get with wasn't even a woman but a jew=ish troll. The worse part is the troll was going right along with him just like he was a woman. And then I saw another brother come into the thread and congratulate the so-called fake BW for talking gape. You are damaged if you can't see the manipulation going on here, by these m_tha fu__kin demons. Be watchful brother (if you are Black, if you're not then the message is for all true Black men) and study these MOFOs. If you don't they will have you twisted until you're in an untiable knot.
You are greatly misinformed. There are some of here who have done our own investigation. And this poster speaks the absolute truth. I myself came to this site just 6 weeks ago and was attacked almost immediately with curing, namecalling and vile suggestions about my family etc., just because I disagreed with some racist here, because I defended a lie against my people. And it has been that way every since. We come here trying to bring positive threads for the benefit of Black people and they get deleted, or interjected with all kinds of racist filth. This is a a forum for the use, entertainment, and upward mobility of BLACK people. Every else here is a guest and should act according. But they come in here like the own the place throwing their weight around with their useless racist banter. I for one have decided I'm going to stay and do what I can to help eradicate this site of it's filth. You are either for us or against us.
-Ankhsanamen
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Do you understand what 'quantitative easing' actually is? Do you understand that every word that comes out of a US Presidents mouth affects the markets? You get that US policy sets the global stage for most of the markets?
Have you missed the fact that grocery store prices are rising rather quickly? Fuel prices? Everything across the board?
You need to get your heads out of the clouds and look at reality.
"Perhaps when we have put 50 Black prezes in a row in the white house, then maybe we'll start looking at the so-called real issues."
This country would be long since renamed Zimbabwe.
So what are 'the real issues'?
All black people are not given special, protected government jobs where they do not have to do anything but collect a large paycheck and have full benifits?
The real issue is that you cannot see past the socialist Presidents skin colour and you really do not care what happens to the USA anyway, because you believe white 'racists' are the reason you are a failure, and not your hate whitey attitude or your poor work ethic.
At least some of the toxictopickers have admitted that this birther nonsense comes down to color.
As a a white person, I agree with the "prominent African Americans" who are offended by Trump and other birthers because it is a disgrace to our country.
-Responsibility
San Mateo, CA
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Zaius, No real thinking person supports quantative easing since that increases the debt rapidly and other economic alternatives are feasible in causing reforms.
Many things affect the market including the President's words. No one disputes that. People that disagree with you are just saying that the total economy is dynamic and multifaceted (and the President can't control all aspects of it since the FED, speculations, Wall Street, and other forces can rapidly change the market in specific circumstances).
I don't agree with higher oil prices, higher fuel prices, and other economic problems. The reasons for these things are because of the war on terror, economically reactionary policies, and the corruption of the currency by the Federal Reserve (not the poor or minorities collectively in a succinct measure). You know this. Many black people can do a wide spectrum of constructive acts that you racists deny. One example is that tons of businesses, teachers, scholars, scientists, lawyers, politicians, etc. are doing the right things and these people are black. Zimbabwe is trying to recover after imperialism. There haven't been 50 black Presidents in Zimbabwe (some of the acts in Zimbabwe are some that I don't agree with, but these problems can be solved via getting a handle on hyper inflation and other reforms).
Many black people do have private jobs not just government jobs. Also, most government jobs are held by whites in America. A government job isn't some handout since you have to have governmental background checks, testing, and other real requirements before you even achieve that job. The government is of, for and by the people, so having a legitimate governmental job isn't an example of laziness or leeching. It's a product of earned work. The real issues are the War on drugs, the war on terror, the economy, health care, the environment, and other issues that black people have discussed before you Zaius was born. Barack Obama isn’t a socialist since socialism is the belief of the government controlling all means of production in society. He doesn’t advocate that and he compromised to reactionaries' economic agenda. That definitely means he isn’t a socialist. I don’t worship the man, but black people have the right to respect their own black people. Also, real black people do believe in personal responsibility and not blaming whites for everything wrong in the Universe. We just don’t deny oppression, white supremacy, and other evils going on in the world. Racists deny these problems, but we will not. We will call for justice unashamedly. Tons of blacks have a strong work ethic for centuries, so Zaius don’t blame that slander to me. We in this generation will stand strong against your lies
-By Timothy (Me)
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Historically, your Austerity 101 seminar hasn't decreased the poverty rate in American history. You know this despite your denials.
The super rich in some cases pay no taxes and stole the cheese from the poor. The super rich (via multinationals, some in Wall Street, etc.) stealing the cheese via corporate welfare, tax breaks, and out right theft have been occuring for thousands of years. Theft and paying record low taxation for over 50 years doesn't equate into real wealth creation.
I care about wealth creation, but wealth creation doesn't come by draconian cuts in services and real programs. Wealth creation comes by ending the war on terror and developing a populist jobs/economic program that benefits all people from across the socioeconomic scale. Wealth distribution that's progressive, fair, and with compassion isn't a sin. Using taxes as revenues is found in the Constitution as the Constitution gives Congress the right to tax citizens.
Zaius,
I'm not some brainwashed Lloyd Marcus type of black man.
I'm a smart brother. I know how the game really is.
-By Timothy (Me)
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Zimbabwe is growing at about 4% right now. Historically, Zimbabwe has always been one of the most advanced economies in Africa. Mugabe did creater any problems. The problems were created by an unjust and illegal sanctiobn regime against the country. But, the neighboring countreis defended Zimbabwe and broke the sanctions. And the Chinese also helped.
-Abdurratln
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-Abdurratln
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Instead, the Chinese will set up mining operations in Africa and South America in order to drain these continents of their ore, then, the Chinese will turn around, use this ore to manufacture finished goods, and then sell them domestically and back to the countries from which they originally mined the ore.
The Chinese are following an economic policy called MERCANTILISM. This is the aggressive economic policy that Europeans used centuries ago. Basically, it is economic warfare. The Chinese are waging economic warfare against everybody, including Brazil, India, Russia, and especially the USA. The Chinese are intentionally keeping their currency, the Yuan, undervalued to make their exports more attractive to foreigners, while at the same time reducing the domestic demand for foreign imports. The Chinese government has to make sure its people are fed and employed or social unrest will occur, as this is Beijing's worst nightmare.
-Kashta_Bureh
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Please it would be nice if black people on a whole could unite but some AA's don’t even like to acknowledge that their roots hail from Africa some like to act as if their accentors are descents of America. We West-Indians have our own issues as well but I've never heard any of my fellow Caribbean’s deny that they are descendants of Africans.
-Sasha
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-Abdurratln
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Liberia and Sierra Leone were indeed set up to fail from the start, the white man put the Ex slaves in the same neighbourhood as the natives which was a recipe for disaster!
The American-Liberians were said to of had running water, electricity, air conditioning, telephone service and college educations from the US and Europe, plus they brought beliefs in the religious superiority of Protestant Christianity, the cultural superiority of European civilization, and the aesthetic superiority of European skin color and hair texture.
They even recreated the racial caste system that was in America, however, in this case with themselves at the top instead of the bottom.
American- Liberians had single party rule for over 100 years, and all the men took turns with being government officials and getting rich while they suppressed the natives...There was resistance from the natives instantly which began in 1847 until they took Liberia back in 1980!
Black Americans made up 5% of the population while controlling 95% of the resources, of course this would lead to Blood-Shed eventually, a similar thing happened with the British set-up Ex slave colony in Sierra Leone.
On saying Liberia and Sierra Leone were set-ups, I do think that the American Blacks went there with the wrong attitude, I hate to say this but to me they sounded like a bunch of Uncle Toms, and if I was a Native African in Liberia at that time I would of slaughtered as many of those so-called "Americo Liberians" as I could.
Black westerners need to identify what mentality we have inherited from slavery and whites and shake it off right away, going to Africa and behaving like the Ex-Slaves did was unacceptable!
-The Revolutionist
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I believe in helping our own communities since a man has to improve his own house. Yet, we are human beings and if a person wants to help the human race worldwide, then that human being has the right to help people internationally out of sincere reasoning (without exploitation). Also, many Africans are here in AMerica fighting for the freedoms of black Americans and marrying black Americans too. I see no issue with this reality.
Dr. King and Malcolm X united and shook hands by 1965 in order to fight for real black liberation worldwide. Both men were murdered before their plans were realized. In fact by 1968, Dr. King was sounding more like a non-violent version of Malcolm X by supporting African revolutions, opposing Vietnam, rejecting the mainstream capitalist system, calling for reparations, and accepting Black Power. So, Dr. King and Malcolm X were radicals and had more ideological similarities than some folks give credit for. Dr. King wasn't some "good" civil right leader acting as some token. He was a revolutionary that believe in the ending of the corrupt economic power structure in order solve the massive poverty issues plaguing the USA.
By Timothy
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Now, here's my response to you:
Legitimate promotion of compensation have been shown among ethnic groups for thousands of years. Jews, Japanese, and other races have been given monetary payment after they have experienced demented treatment. We should of gotten real reparations immediately after slavery. Now, this isn't going to happen. What can happen is for my people is to ignore your mentality and promote our own self interests though. We should unite, create more businesses, and adhere to our real cultural essence.
You made it clear about how you feel about us, so we make it clear about how we feel about you. It's quid pro quod feeling in a way. Also, many laws like the Civil Rights Act and other policies weren't even meant to socially dominate you. They were meant to promote equality in society and prevent discrimination that was more overt decades ago. See, you equate legitimate policies meant to create a more equitable society to nothing more than some quaint quota system (when race-based quotas are banned from the Supreme Court). We blacks don't want to tip the scales in front of your race. We just want to live in tranquility in a society when the scales are balanced.
I'm also not bound to promote PC garbage either that adheres to colorblindness, a sense of sucking to whites, a worship of reactionary politricks, and a sense of self-hatred that a lot of House Negroes embrace. Real black people don't embrace those evil ideologies. Problems like crime, disease, prostate cancer, etc. exist in the black community. No one denies that. It's your type that tries to magnify these issues and claim that it's almost a black problem (or promote the lie of black inferiority) when these problems in America exist across racial and socioeconomic backgrounds (i.e. most people on welfare are white people). No one is changing the rules to benefit us. How is the Patriot Act, austerity policies, and other stuff like us benefiting my own black race? It may benefit a higher socioeconomic stratus though.
Standing up for justice and standing up for reforms aren't whining. See, your kind wants us to bow before you and accept your lies. Yet, in this generation, we don't beg and we don't worship your illogical political ideologies. So, you will make me more apt to stand up, speak up, and act up in favor of truth, justice, and real righteous actions. These things are things that you can't take flight from.
You can't take flight from reality or the truth. I don't need Cindrella or embrace some Beverly Hills 90210 fantasy land when I have solidarity my own black people.
I mean your kind as in racists or reactionary extremists not all white people since many progressive, civil, and decent whites exist in the world.
By Timothy
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-Ankhsanamen
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http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/liberation_curriculum/malcolmx/lesson3.htm
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We can also verify many of what we see simply by speaking to the thousands of African immigrants that flock the US, UK and Europe for that matter, they would be in Africa if things were that great back home!...
I have yet to hear any African dispute what the media has shown, the best you will hear them say is "that is not happening all over Africa".
We know that the Chinese are all over Africa buying as much Raw material as they can lay their eyes on, we know that the French are in the Ivory coast dealing with an election problem, we know NATO is in the North and we know that South Africa is full of White people not to mention the Arabs in the East and Africom on stand-by.
We do not need the media to tell us these things are happening, Africans can and do confirm much of it themselves!
-The Revolutionist
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Note by Me: I don't agree with all of socialism, but what we have now is archaic.
By Timothy
The problems we face are radical. I do not say this to diss MLK. I am sure that he was radical too. He was older than Malcolm. When he started fighting in the 1950's Malcolm was probably locked up in jail. But, it was radical to say down with Jim Crow. Folks want to sugar coat it now. But, in the 1950's the National Baptist Convention saw him as so radical that he was forced out of his own church and had to start a new one called the Progressive National Baptist Convention. The things that MLK stood for back then, Unlce Toms still oppose this day. But, since he is dead, they want to coopt his name and forget what he stood for. MLK's ideas have not been implemented because they are too radical for most people in this country.
When Malcolm came along, he laid the foundation to take the Struggle one step further. Thus, after the Civil Rights laws were passed and problems still had not been solved, it was Malcolm's ideas about Uniting with the Africans in Africa to confront our common enemy that moved us forward and brought us to this point. All I am trying do right now is to pick up the work of Malcolm and Kwame Ture and pass it on to the next generation.
It seems that every time a serious Pan-Africanist becomes Chairman of the AU, the whites isolate him, demonize him and attack him. We need to learn from our history and stop repeating the same old mistakes.
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I guess the key to understanding modern economics and the need to Unite for economic efficiency, we need to think in terms of industry and not just of resources alone. Resources are Gifts from GOD. But, humans must develop industry. Therefore, we must think big and not be mentally and poliitcally and economically and intellectually lazy.
-Abdurratln
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There are Africans on this forum going around Bragging about the sale of Africans during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, this is the most disrespectful and barbaric act in my eyes, I have yet to hear any Non African black laughing and poking fun at Africans dying in Africa.
If Africa booted out the Chinese and asked professional Blacks from all over the world to come and help them build the continent they would be much better off in the long run, in-fact this is the only way Blacks could actually put ourselves on the Map as a respectable people and formidable force, having the Chinese build Africa will only see Africans being viewed as useless, forevermore!
We as Western Blacks have been around these people a lot longer than Africans and have valuable insight to offer into how these lying two face scumbags work, but we are seen as being nosey as if we are trying to tell the Africans what to do with their Countries or Continent!
-The Revolutionist
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The first Americo-Liberian president was a man called "Joseph Jenkins Roberts" (1850).
I have seen a picture of this chap and he looks like a fiery eyed white man!...The story gets worse!
The indigenous population were banned from voting, only American settlers and their descendants could vote, this party also worked in tandem with the Masonic order.
The party also enforced systems of forced labour, it is recorded that some natives were even sold as slaves to Spanish Colonialists, this actually led to a five-year U.S. and British boycott of Liberia around 1930, however Liberia was viewed as a non-threatening stabilising force so they received heavy investment under President William Tubman (1944-1971).
This is why I called them Uncle Toms, they had a cast system, they oppressed and enslaved indigenous Africans while treating them like second class citizens, barred them from voting, controlled 95% of the resources and to top it all off, they were in league with the Free Masons which is never a good thing!...Liberia was doomed from the start!
-The Revolutionist
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Liberia and Sierra Leone were indeed set up to fail from the start, the white man put the Ex slaves in the same neighbourhood as the natives which was a recipe for disaster!
The American-Liberians were said to of had running water, electricity, air conditioning, telephone service and college educations from the US and Europe, plus they brought beliefs in the religious superiority of Protestant Christianity, the cultural superiority of European civilization, and the aesthetic superiority of European skin color and hair texture.
They even recreated the racial caste system that was in America, however, in this case with themselves at the top instead of the bottom.
American- Liberians had single party rule for over 100 years, and all the men took turns with being government officials and getting rich while they suppressed the natives...There was resistance from the natives instantly which began in 1847 until they took Liberia back in 1980!
Black Americans made up 5% of the population while controlling 95% of the resources, of course this would lead to Blood-Shed eventually, a similar thing happened with the British set-up Ex slave colony in Sierra Leone.
On saying Liberia and Sierra Leone were set-ups, I do think that the American Blacks went there with the wrong attitude, I hate to say this but to me they sounded like a bunch of Uncle Toms, and if I was a Native African in Liberia at that time I would of slaughtered as many of those so-called "Americo Liberians" as I could.
Black westerners need to identify what mentality we have inherited from slavery and whites and shake it off right away, going to Africa and behaving like the Ex-Slaves did was unacceptable!
-The Revolutionist
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Do you understand what 'quantitative easing' actually is? Do you understand that every word that comes out of a US Presidents mouth affects the markets? You get that US policy sets the global stage for most of the markets?
Have you missed the fact that grocery store prices are rising rather quickly? Fuel prices? Everything across the board?
You need to get your heads out of the clouds and look at reality.
"Perhaps when we have put 50 Black prezes in a row in the white house, then maybe we'll start looking at the so-called real issues."
This country would be long since renamed Zimbabwe.
So what are 'the real issues'?
All black people are not given special, protected government jobs where they do not have to do anything but collect a large paycheck and have full benifits?
The real issue is that you cannot see past the socialist Presidents skin colour and you really do not care what happens to the USA anyway, because you believe white 'racists' are the reason you are a failure, and not your hate whitey attitude or your poor work ethic.
Zaius, No real thinking person supports quantative easing since that increases the debt rapidly and other economic alternatives are feasible in causing reforms.
Many things affect the market including the President's words. No one disputes that. People that disagree with you are just saying that the total economy is dynamic and multifaceted (and the President can't control all aspects of it since the FED, speculations, Wall Street, and other forces can rapidly change the market in specific circumstances).
I don't agree with higher oil prices, higher fuel prices, and other economic problems. The reasons for these things are because of the war on terror, economically reactionary policies, and the corruption of the currency by the Federal Reserve (not the poor or minorities collectively in a succinct measure). You know this. Many black people can do a wide spectrum of constructive acts that you racists deny. One example is that tons of businesses, teachers, scholars, scientists, lawyers, politicians, etc. are doing the right things and these people are black. Zimbabwe is trying to recover after imperialism. There haven't been 50 black Presidents in Zimbabwe (some of the acts in Zimbabwe are some that I don't agree with, but these problems can be solved via getting a handle on hyper inflation and other reforms).
Many black people do have private jobs not just government jobs. Also, most government jobs are held by whites in America. A government job isn't some handout since you have to have governmental background checks, testing, and other real requirements before you even achieve that job. The government is of, for and by the people, so having a legitimate governmental job isn't an example of laziness or leeching. It's a product of earned work. The real issues are the War on drugs, the war on terror, the economy, health care, the environment, and other issues that black people have discussed before you Zaius was born. Barack Obama isn’t a socialist since socialism is the belief of the government controlling all means of production in society. He doesn’t advocate that and he compromised to reactionaries' economic agenda. That definitely means he isn’t a socialist. I don’t worship the man, but black people have the right to respect their own black people. Also, real black people do believe in personal responsibility and not blaming whites for everything wrong in the Universe. We just don’t deny oppression, white supremacy, and other evils going on in the world. Racists deny these problems, but we will not. We will call for justice unashamedly. Tons of blacks have a strong work ethic for centuries, so Zaius don’t blame that slander to me. We in this generation will stand strong against your lies
-By Timothy (Me)
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Once again Zaius you prove me right.
The only economics you lot subscribe to is the gubment giving you cheese that has been taken from the 'rich'. You don't care about wealth creation. You care about wealth redistribution.
Historically, your Austerity 101 seminar hasn't decreased the poverty rate in American history. You know this despite your denials.
The super rich in some cases pay no taxes and stole the cheese from the poor. The super rich (via multinationals, some in Wall Street, etc.) stealing the cheese via corporate welfare, tax breaks, and out right theft have been occuring for thousands of years. Theft and paying record low taxation for over 50 years doesn't equate into real wealth creation.
I care about wealth creation, but wealth creation doesn't come by draconian cuts in services and real programs. Wealth creation comes by ending the war on terror and developing a populist jobs/economic program that benefits all people from across the socioeconomic scale. Wealth distribution that's progressive, fair, and with compassion isn't a sin. Using taxes as revenues is found in the Constitution as the Constitution gives Congress the right to tax citizens.
Zaius,
I'm not some brainwashed Lloyd Marcus type of black man.
I'm a smart brother. I know how the game really is.
-By Timothy (Me)
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Zimbabwe is growing at about 4% right now. Historically, Zimbabwe has always been one of the most advanced economies in Africa. Mugabe did creater any problems. The problems were created by an unjust and illegal sanctiobn regime against the country. But, the neighboring countreis defended Zimbabwe and broke the sanctions. And the Chinese also helped.
-Abdurratln
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I doubt that that mess is over. Any time France comes in to impose it version of what's right, I smell a rat. France wanted this dude in there because he is their flunky. The other Christian guy was about socilialist development and France and the west did not like that. So, they bought and paid for a flunky. And, when he could not take power, they put him in power. He will probably try to dismantle the socialist programs. But, he has to subdues the resisatnce first. If this new guy is not legit and I see no reason to think that he is legit, this is only the beginning of a crisis, not the end. People are not likely to sit quietly while France steals their resources without paying a fair price for them. This could lead to another civil war.
It was a real mess in the Ivory Coast when the former colonizers, from France, had to save the day. Dude just wouldn't leave even after he lost the election. Too bad no Supreme Court could have ruled in his favor and let him steal the election. Of course America wouldn't have tolerated that and ya know it!
-Abdurratln
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I get weekly intelligence reports so I can tell you what the Chinese are doing..........the Chinese are hunting worldwide for countries that have raw materials they covet. The Chinese are very cunning and deceptive. They have huge stockpiles of silver, gold, and copper but they are too smart to use up their own supply.The guy I was tslking too was .....talking about the diamond miners in S Africa. But there's got to be a deeper reason for whats going on with the Chinese. I'm sure somebody who's African is getting their "palms greased" to looked the other way.
Instead, the Chinese will set up mining operations in Africa and South America in order to drain these continents of their ore, then, the Chinese will turn around, use this ore to manufacture finished goods, and then sell them domestically and back to the countries from which they originally mined the ore.
The Chinese are following an economic policy called MERCANTILISM. This is the aggressive economic policy that Europeans used centuries ago. Basically, it is economic warfare. The Chinese are waging economic warfare against everybody, including Brazil, India, Russia, and especially the USA. The Chinese are intentionally keeping their currency, the Yuan, undervalued to make their exports more attractive to foreigners, while at the same time reducing the domestic demand for foreign imports. The Chinese government has to make sure its people are fed and employed or social unrest will occur, as this is Beijing's worst nightmare.
Another African coup may be in progress right now Mack.......my intelligence sources have informed me that the president of Burkina Faso is missing, his whereabouts are currently unknown and his elite soldiers have mutinied.......shooting was heard at the presidential palace yesterday.We know Africa does not need another civil war. Maybe Ivory Coast can get it together because it would really be a shame if we have another coup, and unrest in another African country. Really too much of that already!
-Kashta_Bureh
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Please it would be nice if black people on a whole could unite but some AA's don’t even like to acknowledge that their roots hail from Africa some like to act as if their accentors are descents of America. We West-Indians have our own issues as well but I've never heard any of my fellow Caribbean’s deny that they are descendants of Africans.
-Sasha
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We do need to deal with our own internal shortcomings, though. We were brought here as slaves and were forced to accept the white man's decadent social and cultural values. For instance, our women were forced into sexual relationships with white men, became pregnant and bore children out of wedlock. 150 years later, our women are still bearing children out od wedlock. And we do not have enough sense to understand why. Whenever someone criticizes such madness, we get all defensive and start talking about the Civil Rights Movement as if other Africans did not also fight slavery and colonialism. That is the wrong attitude. You ought to face up to the fact that no self-respecting people in the world will ever stoop as low as we have stooped in this country. 75% of our children are born out of wedlock. This does not happen in Africa or in the Carribean. Wake up.
And yet, the only reason your Black ass is here is BECAUSE of BLACK AMERICANS, the very people who fought and died in the Civil Rights Movement that brought about change in not only racist attitudes, but also in a racist immigration and naturalization policy in this country, and that actually goes for ALL non-White immigrants to this country, which also includes recent African immigrants. So, your attitude and your parents' ignorant attitude toward damn near forty million people in this country is just evidence of how far down on your knees you people are licking the boots of Whites and other non-Black people, because if you actually feel that way about "American Blacks," then, you should REALLY hate American Whites for how they feel about YOU since you are Black TOO, you dumb ass houseni88er.
Let's just talk and exchnage ideas. But, to have an intelligent discussion, it is best that we base our ideas on stady and research. Vincent Thompson's AFRICA AND UNITY is a good place to start. Also, Walter Radney's HOW EUROPE UNDERDEVELOPED AFRICA and Kwame Nkrunah's GHANA: THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF KWAME NKRUMAH and many other books. Kwame Ture's READY FOR REVOLUTION is indispensable.
dude i'm not here to fight you. if you have intelligent info., just pass it on. if I knew EVERYTHING....I'd make sure Africa was a 'super-power'.
-Abdurratln
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I agree 100%
To be fair, Liberia was set up to fail. How do you institute a government of people who have no knowledge of the locals and vice versa ? It was only a matter of time before Liberia collapsed.
Liberia and Sierra Leone were indeed set up to fail from the start, the white man put the Ex slaves in the same neighbourhood as the natives which was a recipe for disaster!
The American-Liberians were said to of had running water, electricity, air conditioning, telephone service and college educations from the US and Europe, plus they brought beliefs in the religious superiority of Protestant Christianity, the cultural superiority of European civilization, and the aesthetic superiority of European skin color and hair texture.
They even recreated the racial caste system that was in America, however, in this case with themselves at the top instead of the bottom.
American- Liberians had single party rule for over 100 years, and all the men took turns with being government officials and getting rich while they suppressed the natives...There was resistance from the natives instantly which began in 1847 until they took Liberia back in 1980!
Black Americans made up 5% of the population while controlling 95% of the resources, of course this would lead to Blood-Shed eventually, a similar thing happened with the British set-up Ex slave colony in Sierra Leone.
On saying Liberia and Sierra Leone were set-ups, I do think that the American Blacks went there with the wrong attitude, I hate to say this but to me they sounded like a bunch of Uncle Toms, and if I was a Native African in Liberia at that time I would of slaughtered as many of those so-called "Americo Liberians" as I could.
Black westerners need to identify what mentality we have inherited from slavery and whites and shake it off right away, going to Africa and behaving like the Ex-Slaves did was unacceptable!
-The Revolutionist
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There were disputes among both men. I have disagreements with family and friends on some issues, but we are still family. This is the analogy with Dr. King and Malcolm X. They have disagreements on the approach for freedom, but the goal of real equality for all peoples were still the same. By 1965, they agreed more with each other in common ground. Both opposed the Vietnam War, both believed in equality of all peoples, both opposed imperialism, both wanting black people to vote and have human rights, and both focused on an international thinking process in order to create genuine solutions to the problem of oppression in the world. They weren't totally close friends, but by 1965, there were certainly allies. Malcolm X spoke with Coretta Scott King in great terms and spoke in the South to speak up to desire voting rights for black Americans.
I saw in a documentary on the history channel that Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr were not friends and disagreed on many things on the progression of blacks in the AA community. Any way Im not a fan of Malcolm X, I don't mind martin Luther King though but this has nothing to do with Africa any way. Everybody should stay with their own community, you help within before helping others. Africans are helping their own right now and care for their individual countries to succeed not this black international coalition. If AA's and caribbeans want to unite by all means unite and leave africans alone
I believe in helping our own communities since a man has to improve his own house. Yet, we are human beings and if a person wants to help the human race worldwide, then that human being has the right to help people internationally out of sincere reasoning (without exploitation). Also, many Africans are here in AMerica fighting for the freedoms of black Americans and marrying black Americans too. I see no issue with this reality.
Dr. King and Malcolm X united and shook hands by 1965 in order to fight for real black liberation worldwide. Both men were murdered before their plans were realized. In fact by 1968, Dr. King was sounding more like a non-violent version of Malcolm X by supporting African revolutions, opposing Vietnam, rejecting the mainstream capitalist system, calling for reparations, and accepting Black Power. So, Dr. King and Malcolm X were radicals and had more ideological similarities than some folks give credit for. Dr. King wasn't some "good" civil right leader acting as some token. He was a revolutionary that believe in the ending of the corrupt economic power structure in order solve the massive poverty issues plaguing the USA.
By Timothy
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You are the reason why I will always stick by my own people.
And equally, non-blacks have the right, nay, the responsibility to fight against attempts by blacks to tip the scales unequally in their favor over some perceived slight or skewed notion of reparative justice.
We are not required by PC bullshyt to accept sloth, rampant crime or festering disease as the "birthright" of blacks simply because they don't like the rules.
Organize, elect people to change the rules for you, and most of all, get beyond 13% of the population and contribution something besides a massive black hole of debt before you expect the country to bend over backwards to accommodate your incessant childish whining.
Now, here's my response to you:
Legitimate promotion of compensation have been shown among ethnic groups for thousands of years. Jews, Japanese, and other races have been given monetary payment after they have experienced demented treatment. We should of gotten real reparations immediately after slavery. Now, this isn't going to happen. What can happen is for my people is to ignore your mentality and promote our own self interests though. We should unite, create more businesses, and adhere to our real cultural essence.
You made it clear about how you feel about us, so we make it clear about how we feel about you. It's quid pro quod feeling in a way. Also, many laws like the Civil Rights Act and other policies weren't even meant to socially dominate you. They were meant to promote equality in society and prevent discrimination that was more overt decades ago. See, you equate legitimate policies meant to create a more equitable society to nothing more than some quaint quota system (when race-based quotas are banned from the Supreme Court). We blacks don't want to tip the scales in front of your race. We just want to live in tranquility in a society when the scales are balanced.
I'm also not bound to promote PC garbage either that adheres to colorblindness, a sense of sucking to whites, a worship of reactionary politricks, and a sense of self-hatred that a lot of House Negroes embrace. Real black people don't embrace those evil ideologies. Problems like crime, disease, prostate cancer, etc. exist in the black community. No one denies that. It's your type that tries to magnify these issues and claim that it's almost a black problem (or promote the lie of black inferiority) when these problems in America exist across racial and socioeconomic backgrounds (i.e. most people on welfare are white people). No one is changing the rules to benefit us. How is the Patriot Act, austerity policies, and other stuff like us benefiting my own black race? It may benefit a higher socioeconomic stratus though.
Standing up for justice and standing up for reforms aren't whining. See, your kind wants us to bow before you and accept your lies. Yet, in this generation, we don't beg and we don't worship your illogical political ideologies. So, you will make me more apt to stand up, speak up, and act up in favor of truth, justice, and real righteous actions. These things are things that you can't take flight from.
You can't take flight from reality or the truth. I don't need Cindrella or embrace some Beverly Hills 90210 fantasy land when I have solidarity my own black people.
I mean your kind as in racists or reactionary extremists not all white people since many progressive, civil, and decent whites exist in the world.
By Timothy
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You don't have to put up with us or pay for us. You have the right to and are invited to leave. And beyond that, do like everybody else in this country has to do, accept what you cannot change like where your tax dollars go, and move on with your life and leave ours alone. There is no stipulation with the payment of taxes that says you get to dictate "how" the road is maintained or who's working the project. We are not your business anymore and you "will" stay out of it. We will see to it.
As long as we have to pay for you and put up with you, you will be our business.
-Ankhsanamen
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http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/liberation_curriculum/malcolmx/lesson3.htm
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There is an element of truth in this, however the media is reporting what is happening, it is the western interpretation of the pictures we are seeing that we have to watch out for.
That is the problem.
They’re only in the limelight here in the west because the west wants it to be.
We can also verify many of what we see simply by speaking to the thousands of African immigrants that flock the US, UK and Europe for that matter, they would be in Africa if things were that great back home!...
I have yet to hear any African dispute what the media has shown, the best you will hear them say is "that is not happening all over Africa".
We know that the Chinese are all over Africa buying as much Raw material as they can lay their eyes on, we know that the French are in the Ivory coast dealing with an election problem, we know NATO is in the North and we know that South Africa is full of White people not to mention the Arabs in the East and Africom on stand-by.
We do not need the media to tell us these things are happening, Africans can and do confirm much of it themselves!
I have family who visit Africa on a regular basis and are moving there very soon, plus I am in contact with a Non-Profit black Organisation called Ethiopian World Federation who do much Charity work in Africa and have acres of land in Shahemane/ Ethiopia, I also talk to hundreds of African Students at my University on a daily basis, so I hear ground level stories, I must say the media does have an obsession with highlighting the negative aspects of Africa, however, they do exist and much more we do not hear about in the media!
So in short me and you know next to nothing about what is really going on in Africa other than what we here in the west are told.
Exactly, so isn't it full time Blacks/Africans learned not to trust the white man as he will put you in power then spit you out once he has finished using you, this was done to Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Taliban, Mugabe, Ide Amin and so on...Whites put these people in power or supported them until they were useful then...
Who do you think supported these fools who supported that guy who was taken out of Egypt? Remember Tony Blair kissing the Libyan leaders ass not so long ago?
African disunity hasn't helped the continent so far, so it is time they tried Unity, and "Africa doesn't need our help" but yet millions of them are a risking their lives to escape Africa every year.
Africa DOES NOT need to unit and DOES NOT need our help.
-The Revolutionist
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Re: Marabel's Book
Roland Sheppard - 04/13/2011 - 13:25
I am one, of the few people remaining, who was at the Audubon Ballroom when Malcolm X was assassinated.
In my retirement, I have been writing about my life experiences as a socialist, as a participant in the Black Liberation Movement, the Union Movement, and almost all social movements.
In 1991, at the time Spike Lee's documentary movie on Malcolm X was due to be released, several books were written that attempted to camouflage Malcolm's political evolution during his last year. Two such books were Malcolm: The Life of a Man Who Changed Black America, by Bruce Perry and Malcolm X: The Assassination, by Michael Friedly. In my opinion, these books are a second assassination of Malcolm X. I consider Manning Marable’s book to be another such assassination.
In dramatic contrast to Perry's and Friedly's conclusions about Malcolm X's assassination, there is the Karl Evanzz’s book, The Judas Factor (Thunder's Mouth Press, New York, 1992. 389 pp., $22.95).
After reading these books I then began to write an essay, The Assassinations of M.L.K. Jr. and Malcolm X based upon by eyewitness experience and what I learned from Karl’s book.
I believe that the government had the motive to organize and orchestrate the assassination of Malcolm X, due to opposition to the Vietnam War and his solidarity with the liberations struggles that were going on at that time. He was even able to force African states to take a position against United States racism and Jim Crow for the first time.
Marabel documents the possible motive for the Nation of Islam to assassinate Malcolm, but he gives no hint on why the government had motive, for Marabel denies the man that Malcolm X had become in his last years.
In my update to the essay, The Day the Music Died Malcolm X’s Assassination, Feb. 21, 1965, http://sfbayview.com/2011/the-day-the-music-died/, I identify William Bradely, the man whom Marabel describes as one of the assassins, and a member of the Newark NOI, as an undercover operative of the government.
Marabel did not even research when Clarence Jones, Martin Luther King’s lawyer, stated in the CBS documentrary, The Real Malcolm X, An Intimate Portrait of the man, narrated by Dan Rather:
“. . . . Knowing what I now know of the various agencies of the US government investigative agencies of the US government with respect to Martin King, for example, and knowing what they did to political parties, like the Black Panther Parties, I have no doubt that the assassination of Malcolm X was calculated, planned by agencies at the highest level of this government. I don't have any question, I don't have any doubt in my mind that is what happened...”
King’s lawyer exposes more than Marable’s book.
In my retirement, I have been writing about my life experiences as a socialist, as a participant in the Black Liberation Movement, the Union Movement, and almost all social movements.
In 1991, at the time Spike Lee's documentary movie on Malcolm X was due to be released, several books were written that attempted to camouflage Malcolm's political evolution during his last year. Two such books were Malcolm: The Life of a Man Who Changed Black America, by Bruce Perry and Malcolm X: The Assassination, by Michael Friedly. In my opinion, these books are a second assassination of Malcolm X. I consider Manning Marable’s book to be another such assassination.
In dramatic contrast to Perry's and Friedly's conclusions about Malcolm X's assassination, there is the Karl Evanzz’s book, The Judas Factor (Thunder's Mouth Press, New York, 1992. 389 pp., $22.95).
After reading these books I then began to write an essay, The Assassinations of M.L.K. Jr. and Malcolm X based upon by eyewitness experience and what I learned from Karl’s book.
I believe that the government had the motive to organize and orchestrate the assassination of Malcolm X, due to opposition to the Vietnam War and his solidarity with the liberations struggles that were going on at that time. He was even able to force African states to take a position against United States racism and Jim Crow for the first time.
Marabel documents the possible motive for the Nation of Islam to assassinate Malcolm, but he gives no hint on why the government had motive, for Marabel denies the man that Malcolm X had become in his last years.
In my update to the essay, The Day the Music Died Malcolm X’s Assassination, Feb. 21, 1965, http://sfbayview.com/2011/the-day-the-music-died/, I identify William Bradely, the man whom Marabel describes as one of the assassins, and a member of the Newark NOI, as an undercover operative of the government.
Marabel did not even research when Clarence Jones, Martin Luther King’s lawyer, stated in the CBS documentrary, The Real Malcolm X, An Intimate Portrait of the man, narrated by Dan Rather:
“. . . . Knowing what I now know of the various agencies of the US government investigative agencies of the US government with respect to Martin King, for example, and knowing what they did to political parties, like the Black Panther Parties, I have no doubt that the assassination of Malcolm X was calculated, planned by agencies at the highest level of this government. I don't have any question, I don't have any doubt in my mind that is what happened...”
King’s lawyer exposes more than Marable’s book.
I wrote in the conclusion of my essay, The Assassinations of M.L.K. Jr. and Malcolm X :
At the time of their assassinations, both Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were embarking on a course in opposition to the capitalist system. It is clear from reading and listening to their final speeches that they had both evolved to similar conclusions as to capitalism's role in the maintenance of racism. That is why they were “neutralized” (Assassinated)._____________
Thank you
Enlightened Cynic - 04/13/2011 - 23:12
for sharing your insights and experiences. I don't suppose the good professor contacted you, one of the last persons who saw alive????
I don't claim to have indulged in the scholarship and research you and others have, but as a function of critical thinking I agree with you. The cr____ were cool when Malcolm and Martin kept things "local" but when they started challenging global capitalism and linking the war on poverty with US militarism and colonialism, s___ hit the fan, and they had to go.
Well wishes to you and your continued research/journey.______________
Libyan Rebels Reject Still Another Truce Offer by the AU...
Nixakliel - 04/13/2011 - 06:33
The Libyan Rebels have rejected another truce offer- this time by the African Union [AU], effectively stating any offer that doesn't result in Khadaffi's unconditional surrender is unacceptable. They also implied that the AU are basically stooges of Khadaffi, & their attitude toward the 5 African leaders was rather hostile. This is at-least the 2nd [or possibly the 3rd] attempt at a negotiated truce that the rebels turned down. Pres Hugo Chavez attempted to broker one early in the conflict- which the rebels turned down flat- while demanding that the US, UK, France & NATO impose their so-called humanitarian no-fly zone allegedly to protect civilians. Its obvious that these rebels can't beat or even stale-mate Khadaffi's forces head-up- & Khadaffi would have re-taken Benghazi & crushed them without this US, UK, French, NATO intervention on their behalf. The UN, US, et-al keep demanding that Khadaffi cease fire, but the rebels don't want a cease-fire [it takes 2 to tango] - plus Khadaffi asked the UN to send a fact finding mission to Libya which the US, UK, France et-al rejected. This state of affairs [IE: the rebels refusing to negotiate a truce- even though they can't take Khadaffi out on their own] only makes sense if the rebels are confident that the US, UK, France & NATO won't let Khadaffi retake Benghazi & crush them -&- That much of the rebels contingent [especially at the leadership level] was/is in cahoots w the US, UK, France, NATO, Egyptian Military, the House of Saud, etc- from the GIT-GO.
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Note by Me: I don't agree with all of socialism, but what we have now is archaic.
By Timothy
The problems we face are radical. I do not say this to diss MLK. I am sure that he was radical too. He was older than Malcolm. When he started fighting in the 1950's Malcolm was probably locked up in jail. But, it was radical to say down with Jim Crow. Folks want to sugar coat it now. But, in the 1950's the National Baptist Convention saw him as so radical that he was forced out of his own church and had to start a new one called the Progressive National Baptist Convention. The things that MLK stood for back then, Unlce Toms still oppose this day. But, since he is dead, they want to coopt his name and forget what he stood for. MLK's ideas have not been implemented because they are too radical for most people in this country.
When Malcolm came along, he laid the foundation to take the Struggle one step further. Thus, after the Civil Rights laws were passed and problems still had not been solved, it was Malcolm's ideas about Uniting with the Africans in Africa to confront our common enemy that moved us forward and brought us to this point. All I am trying do right now is to pick up the work of Malcolm and Kwame Ture and pass it on to the next generation.
This is the crap that Nyerre forced upon the OAAU. At that time, it was not an Arab Muslim president. It was a Christian black African named Kwame Nkrumah whom Nyerre accused on wanting to be the "emperor of Africa". Nyerre later claimed to be for "unity" with a small "u", of course. But from day one, he fought against Unity, big "U".i think this is where the problem with this thread comes in..the problem is the way people here are defining African Unity..for some its having 1 country, with 1 army, 1 government, and 1 president (and for those who are delusional, an arab muslim president)..for those who are currently living in africa, only those who come from very impoverished nations (eg: Lesotho) and/or those living in failed states eg: Somalia may want 1 african country, but for the rest of the continent and the vast majority of african (even those abroad) african unity means every african means all 53 african nations moving in unison politically
And this is why he attacked and invaded Uganda. Idi Amin's Uganda was allied with African Unity. It was after Idi Amin was elected Chairman of the OAAU (recall Qaddafi) that Nyerre allowed the British to pay him to invade Uganda. Idi Amin was a Muslim. But he was black, not an Arab. So this is not and has never been about race. This is about Uniting or not Uniting.(no inner country and regional conflict)
It seems that every time a serious Pan-Africanist becomes Chairman of the AU, the whites isolate him, demonize him and attack him. We need to learn from our history and stop repeating the same old mistakes.
Continued below...
Continued from above...
Like China which is rapidly becoming the greatest economic power in the world surpassing Euope and America, Africa MUST Unite in order to rapidly develop economically in order to compete in this world. When Africa Unites, we will benefit from the economic efficencies of scale. That is to say, we will avoid un-necessary duplications of effort, for example. This is economics. If South Africa devotes itself to car manufacturing, why should Egypt compete with her? Instead, Egypt might focus on airplanes while South Africa focuses on cars. This way we develop two industries instead of one. And, all of Africa will benefit.economically (steady, upward economic growth) and socially (job creation, poverty alleviation and infrastructural development to enhance inter country & regional trade. it means political, economic, and social growth of the african continent bcos of the growing strength & stability of each individual sovereign african nation and not inspite of it. either than its minerals, diversity is what makes africa a rich continent. that will never be sacrificed, but it should also never be used as an impediment to this goal either.
I guess the key to understanding modern economics and the need to Unite for economic efficiency, we need to think in terms of industry and not just of resources alone. Resources are Gifts from GOD. But, humans must develop industry. Therefore, we must think big and not be mentally and poliitcally and economically and intellectually lazy.
To the contray, a developed Africa will benefit the whole world. Instead of suffering and dying from poverty a propserous Africa will contribute towards the well being of all humanity.one thing you must notice is that with continued african economic growth, the economies of Europe and America will continue to fall (already 3 european countries are experiencing negative growth rate) bcos a stable africa is not good for the West.
No. Just as it took Islam to drag Europe out of the Dark Ages, it takes the Light of Islam and of Pan-Africanism to bring the world an economic way that is better than European capitalism which is based in slavery and oppression and the colonization and rape of others. Instead of stealing gold and other resources from newly discovered peoples in the Americas in order to get rich, we must learn to implement advanced economic principless to develop. Socailsim is the most advanced system yet devised by humanity. To bring about socialist development, we must Unite. Learn from China and India and the USA and Russia.this is bcos to get the materials needed to make ipods, laptops, etc in the West, African countries cannot have a stable political system in order to make it possible for the continued robbery of the Nations of Africa.
-Abdurratln
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Absolutely!
we are all a work in progress
There has been a change for the better in all black communities all over the world over the last 70 years, think back to 1930's and how blacks were treated then, as I recall blacks were being hung in the streets in places like America by evil White people and Africa and the Caribbean Islands were still under colonisation, we all have come a long way, but while Africans see fit to point out the pitfalls of Black America and the Caribbean Islands they must also be prepared to have us talk about Africa's negatives...
But unlike you,I see the change for the better in a number of African countries and I can see the potential in others
There are Africans on this forum going around Bragging about the sale of Africans during the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, this is the most disrespectful and barbaric act in my eyes, I have yet to hear any Non African black laughing and poking fun at Africans dying in Africa.
We actually want to see Africa do well, but at the same time doing well at what cost?... selling all your land and resources for buildings and railway lines is not doing well, it is called being MUGGED!..That is all we are trying to say, is Africa aware of what they are doing or do they trust outsiders like the Chinese, Arabs and NATO whole heartedly, which it would seem they do.
I see hope in the future,you see doom and gloom.I am an African you are not,so you do not care if everything goes tits up,in fact you would like that and see that as payback
You see, that is just not going to happen,there are a lot of people that believe in the great African continent
If Africa booted out the Chinese and asked professional Blacks from all over the world to come and help them build the continent they would be much better off in the long run, in-fact this is the only way Blacks could actually put ourselves on the Map as a respectable people and formidable force, having the Chinese build Africa will only see Africans being viewed as useless, forevermore!
We as Western Blacks have been around these people a lot longer than Africans and have valuable insight to offer into how these lying two face scumbags work, but we are seen as being nosey as if we are trying to tell the Africans what to do with their Countries or Continent!
You mean you do not want descendants of slaves poking their noses in by having opinions, but you let the Europeans, the Arabs and the Chinese do whatever they wish in Africa!
It is OUR business as Africans and we do not want negative strangers poking their noses
-The Revolutionist
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I hate to fill you in on the harsh realities of Liberia bro, but Americo-Liberians actually had a cast system with, guess who at the top of the food chain?... Yep the mixed race Ex-Slaves.
From what I have read, it had more to do with culture than being Uncle Toms. Uncle Toms don't even treat other blacks like equals but from what I understand, Americo Liberians treated each other properly regardless of features or skin complexion. Same with Creole in Sierra Leone. They would intermarry among their own all the time too.
The first Americo-Liberian president was a man called "Joseph Jenkins Roberts" (1850).
I have seen a picture of this chap and he looks like a fiery eyed white man!...The story gets worse!
The reason for this is not because of complacency, it is because the Americo-Liberian settlers in 1878 organized their own political power called the True Whig Party/Liberian Whig Party (modelled after a white political party in America) which permitted no organized political opposition. Until 1980, the Americo-Liberians firmly held onto their position of authority, meeting with unremitting uprising, rebellion and riots from the native peoples...It was a one party state for over 100 years!..
What bothers me about the Americo-Liberians and the Sierra Leone Creole people is that instead of demanding for their own, self governed region and letting the indigenous people control their own region, the new arrivals decided to try and govern everything themselves and exclude the locals. It's like they thought that there would never come a time where, since they were such a small minority, the locals would eventually rise up against them. I don't understand that thinking at all.
The indigenous population were banned from voting, only American settlers and their descendants could vote, this party also worked in tandem with the Masonic order.
The party also enforced systems of forced labour, it is recorded that some natives were even sold as slaves to Spanish Colonialists, this actually led to a five-year U.S. and British boycott of Liberia around 1930, however Liberia was viewed as a non-threatening stabilising force so they received heavy investment under President William Tubman (1944-1971).
This is why I called them Uncle Toms, they had a cast system, they oppressed and enslaved indigenous Africans while treating them like second class citizens, barred them from voting, controlled 95% of the resources and to top it all off, they were in league with the Free Masons which is never a good thing!...Liberia was doomed from the start!
I agree, they should only be allowed to govern themselves only, and have no special treatment as this breeds resentment!
If ever there is another mass migration of western blacks to Africa, I think that we should all settle in one region and govern that region. Leave the rest of the continent for the locals to figure out. We'll work with them if they want to work with us but that's as far as it goes.
-The Revolutionist
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I agree 100%
To be fair, Liberia was set up to fail. How do you institute a government of people who have no knowledge of the locals and vice versa ? It was only a matter of time before Liberia collapsed.
Liberia and Sierra Leone were indeed set up to fail from the start, the white man put the Ex slaves in the same neighbourhood as the natives which was a recipe for disaster!
The American-Liberians were said to of had running water, electricity, air conditioning, telephone service and college educations from the US and Europe, plus they brought beliefs in the religious superiority of Protestant Christianity, the cultural superiority of European civilization, and the aesthetic superiority of European skin color and hair texture.
They even recreated the racial caste system that was in America, however, in this case with themselves at the top instead of the bottom.
American- Liberians had single party rule for over 100 years, and all the men took turns with being government officials and getting rich while they suppressed the natives...There was resistance from the natives instantly which began in 1847 until they took Liberia back in 1980!
Black Americans made up 5% of the population while controlling 95% of the resources, of course this would lead to Blood-Shed eventually, a similar thing happened with the British set-up Ex slave colony in Sierra Leone.
On saying Liberia and Sierra Leone were set-ups, I do think that the American Blacks went there with the wrong attitude, I hate to say this but to me they sounded like a bunch of Uncle Toms, and if I was a Native African in Liberia at that time I would of slaughtered as many of those so-called "Americo Liberians" as I could.
Black westerners need to identify what mentality we have inherited from slavery and whites and shake it off right away, going to Africa and behaving like the Ex-Slaves did was unacceptable!
-The Revolutionist
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What MSNM News & Even Alternative News Sees & Don't See
DemocracyNow! last week focused much of a show on an inflammatory story about the alleged rape of ONE woman by men allegedly connected to Khadaffi's forces. Yet they [& to a some-what lesser extent The Real News] have ignored, down-played or dismissed as Khadaffi mercenaries- multiple accounts of dozens if not hundreds of beatings, lynchings, executions & even people being hacked to death - of Black Africans [including some Black Libyans] by rebels, as outlined in this story & other previous stories here at BAR. As far as that rape allegation is concerned - assuming that the accusation is valid [remember the allegation by Mr CIA Skull{duggery}& Bones Bush Sr that Saddam's men threw Kuwaiti babies out of their incubators & then even stomped them to death - WHICH WAS TOTALLY BOGUS] - how do we know that Khadaffi's men were the perpetrators? Case in point - DemocracyNow!'s Wed April 6 [was this rape allegation made on April 1st] show featuring Anthony Shadid of the NY-Times - who along w his crew was recently released from being detained a week by Khadaffi's people. Shadid makes the statement that many pro-Khadaffi forces [IE: those who first captured him] aren't regular army but are local militias [so much for Khadaffi not having any base of support among the regular people] who aren't that easy to distinguish from the rebels -especially by outsiders. This means that the rape perps could have been rebels [or some black ops guys] pretending to be Khadaffi's men. Also note-worthy is that Shadid & his crew [including a woman] felt safest when they knew they were in the hands of Khadaffi Gov't officials.
-Ankhsanamen
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I Agree w What You're Saying on Most of These Issues BUT...
"socialist utopia"
"punished for success"
"rewarded for failure and laziness"
You can hear the same mindless "talking points" from idiots everywhere. Mindless, racist parrots thinking that a Black President is out to deny them their nascar and pabst beer.
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Black Scholars Having to Sue to Get Tenured: A National Problem?
http://www.bvonmoney.com/2010/07/01/black-sch...
Medical group apologizes to black doctors
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-07-1...
Racism diagnosed at medical schools
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/racism-diag...
Racism and Legal Culture
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage...
racism still rife in police force
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb/1...
Institutional Racism in Congress
http://www.blackvoicenews.com/commentary/more...
Congress asked to address racism in military
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31854789/ns/us_ne...
White fear of a black take-over is what it is!
The proof is there, you have enough Qualified black people living in your country to fill many positions, yet whites generally ignore them and import Foreigners onto the continent, giving them the best jobs, why is this?
last I checked, trailer parks have a lot of white losers running the show, should I be worried about those whites doing better than me, even though I am Qualified?...
-The Revolutionist
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TSLGDGTO88VR6HDNT/p12
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Maddick, you were'nt paying attention, anyway, fact remains that 2 million blacks have PHD's or Masters Degrees and about 4-5 million have Bachelor Degrees, the Arab population numbers 1.2 million and the Asian-Indian population numbers 8 million.
There are more blacks with PHD's than Arabs in America, plus the amount of educated blacks almost make-up the entire Indian population.
Our "rate of education" or percentage wise may not be fantastic, who cares?...Education requires finance and many Arabs and Indians have inherited wealth in their families or have not faced the stumbling blocks black people have, E.G, segregation up until 40 years ago, also black people were striped of everything they owned during slavery, after slavery laws were put in-place which prevented blacks from owning land.
So what!...Wasn't it the purpose of the "1996 welfare reforms" to help Black women into education or work, to get them out of the welfare system?...Why do you expect us black men to be crying over this fact when it is our children that are being brought up by, better educated black women, even though black men still earn more than black women on average!
http://www.libertynet.org/edcivic/welfbill.ht...
-The Revolutionist
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Just educating the masses of our people, so this genocidal chase for whiteness in mind, body and soul, can cease, you have to know the truth about the beuaty of black inside and outside, not what you've been indoctrinated with for centuries.....
Black Is More than just beautiful, its what you NEED!:)
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Melanin And Its Aging Qualities
It is well known that melanin in brown skin provides protection from the ravages of aging due to ultraviolet light (UVL). In fact, the melanin in African American skin provides a natural sun protection factor (SPF) of about 13.4 as compared to 3.4 for white skin.
This natural protection from the sun means less damage to the skin and fewer signs of aging. Therefore, melanin in the skin of African American women accounts for the fact that they often appear younger than Caucasian women of the same age. In addition, the changes that do occur as African American skin ages are often delayed so they occur at a later age as compared to whites.
As would be expected, photoaging in African Americans is more pronounced in individuals with lighter skin hues. When aging changes do occur, most prominent are changes in the texture of the skin (roughness), the appearance of benign growths (dermatosis papulosa n), pigmentation changes (dark marks or discolorations) and a loss of the volume of the skin (sagging).
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-216 Elite
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Soooo, instead of blacks getting reperation for our forefathers being forced slaves and being striped of their humanity...your advice is we should continue to slave away for the white man!!!...Wow don't let anyone say the white man is't a revolutionary thinker.
Nar...I want Reperation and am entitled to it, and the white Government will be forced to pay it one day like the federal government are being forced to give back land to the Native Indians and allow them to run casinos where they earn money that is tax free!!!
You cannot fight time, you can try to, but it will happen very slowly, by the time whites realise what is happening it will be too late for them to stop shit, reparation is always paid to the claimants eventually so we will be no different.
-The Revolutionist
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The only people who are victimized are those who don't see the truth for what it is. Your words do not threaten me in the least. You are not the first person here or anywhere to put Black people in such a dark light. And you will not be the last. We know all too well how white amerikkka feels about us, and we are doing our level best to take what we can from you and get the h___ away from you.
-Ankhsanamen
They do not teach true history in schools, only the Mickey mouse version of black history gets taught in schools.
Plus, Black "financial mobility" is one thing that the white Authorities have always had a problem with, they have destroyed, shut-down, or have discredited many black organisations that were striving to create "financial empowerment" for blacks...The only power we can be sure, we as black people have, is the power to multiply.
The problem is, this basic right that even animals have, will be used to Interbreed with the white man so we can create more Bi-Racials for him to elevate above blacks, blacks will be the losers in IRR, and I'm not proud of saying this but, Blacks are the easiest race to fool...The whiteman smiles at us, gives us a job and some cheap ass houses to live in (but still keeping us firmly at the bottom of the pile, EVERYWHERE) and we are all ready to lick his white ass and give him our seed.
We blacks always get trampled on because, we are the MOST GULIBLE RACE EVER, we trust others more than ourselves, especially when it comes to the "smiling whiteman baring gifts", we get bitten everytime we trust whites, historically!!!...
But this is how society is shaped, people are not as individual as you think, we are all tied together...most of the decisions we make throughout our lives are influenced by others to some extent.
Our behaviour is adjusted depending on where we are, or who we are speaking to, Automatically.
The Government has a lot of control over peoples lives also.
First, the white mans Government, banned IRR, blacks begin to marry each other, started the black panther movement, ran more black businesses, Armed ourselves, started the civil rights movement, make political demands and so on.
But the whitey saw blacks were becoming stronger, and full blacks were growing in numbers, so the logical step would be to Allow IRR...Blacks and low class Whites are allowed to marry.
They are now claiming, the worst mistake whites made, was by "segregating themselves from blacks", because it allowed full "blacks to multiply" in their countries, their words not mine!...So I'm sure there is only one thing they will do to rectify this, control the number of blacks!!!
I think you under-estimate the whiteman...The Eugenics program was going on all over the world covertly, Japan, China, England, USA, France, Germany and many other countries took part, and the advances they made were kept secret not discarded, who knows what they are up to now.
I think with all this genetic engineering going on, we can safely say that Eugenics never stoped (apparently we will soon be able to have designer babies, this is Eugenics)...The American gov'ment, smuggled Hitlers Scientist over to work in the USA after the 2nd world war, and I think population control would of been their number one priority (especially now that they are using the phrase "The Black problem", Do you think they would have a problem and let it slide?...Nar.
But in my opinion, Eugenics is not even really needed to cut black numbers, all they have to do is Interbreed with us.
They are sacrificing low class white men and fat fugly white women to us, and we jump into bed with them at our first chance.
Wake up blacks
-The Revolutionist
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Note by Me: I don't agree with him on his views on AA women, but you are 100% right on this point.
Being physically healthy is very important, but lets face it, as we age our bodies breaks down, that is just a fact of life, a 55 year old can't do the same things as a 25 year old, but the brain generally lasts until very old age unless you develop Alzheimer's or some other neuro-degenerative disease.
Dreams, who has a longer career, a dancer, football player, or professor of Physics? Long after the football player and dance has retired the professor will still be teaching, probably until he dies. Those who have careers in "mental fields" generally have much longer careers than athletes. The average Black guy in the NFL has a career that lasts maybe 3 years tops. If he is injured, his career is over. The owner of the football team never has to worry about that.Whites have cleverly positioned themselves in society where they are always the "owner of the team" while Blacks are merely subordinates. They also push Blacks to enter entertainment and athletic fields which in reality have no true career longevity whatsoever. A rapper may be hot today but out tomorrow. A Black basketball player may be on top of his game today but suffer a career ending injury tomorrow, and these guys are forgotten, but a man like Albert Einstein will never be forgotten, his achievements last forever.
-Kashta_Bureh
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You white racist savage (excluding decent white people), when blacks oppose and expose oppression in the world and in America, this isn't about expressing an illegitimate greivance. It's about presenting authentic issues that ought to be put on the table. It's about expressing free speech or the First Amendment. Free speech existed for a reason. You are a hypocrite since you claim to be so tolerant, yet use racial invective when you label blacks collectively in obscene stereotypes. You are a hypocrite since you hate blacks, but obsess with commenting on an African American forum. If I was a white racist, I wouldn't be on no black-oriented forum at all. So you have no justification to lecture anyone about racism. I'm not arrogant. I'm realistic about you people. I'm not loudmouthed. I'm expressive with my commentary on your ilk. I am not a Negro. I'm a grown black man. We can use quaint words to you and your devilish nature leaps out. Your ilk show your true colors on the Net, but rarely in public. At least most of us blacks express how we feel about you in public and in private plus in the Net. How is saying I'm black and special evil or a sin? It isn't. Real blacks don't advocate special treatment. We advocate justice. The GI Bill, the Homestead Act, etc. were special treatment, yet you don't cry about that. I lecture who I want to lecture about any subject. You can whine and yell about affirmative action all you want, but I'm affirmatively promoting the interests of my race. It is what it is as they say.
-By Timothy
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my sister, i have to disagree with you very strongly here. throughout southern african Malcolm X is very well known, more especially in South Africa. and as much as we black southern africans have hatred for Islam or at the very least are suspicious of it, you will not find a single black south african who would discredit the man and his fight for equality. they showed a documentary just recenlty about the man on DStv which is broadcast throughout africa. magazines, newspapers have been written about him, and me personally i have respect for him (but i'll never convert to Islam) after reading his biography. also, he became less radical after his trip to Mecca, and whilst i respect Martin Luther king, i think white people must have feared Malcolm more. both men must be given credit though, for the role they played,a nd the afrcans i know personally respect them, as well as the likes of Marcus Garvey as Africa's own Patrice Lumumba, Steve Biko, Mandela, etc alike
-choas411
The sister Africana queen is just igronant of historical facts. Malcolm X visited Africa plenty of times even after his trip to Mecca. He wanted African unity and he spoke in America just before he died in 1965 on African history and the issues pertaining to Black people in general. Malcolm X spoke on colonialism, the bourgie blacks, promoting mental liberation for black people, and issues relevant in our time in 2011. Malcolm X always gave praised to Africans like Nkrummah, Nasser (he was a nationalist), Lumumba, and others. After Mecca, Malcolm X just said that all humans should be treated with respect and we should judge a person on their conscious behavior. He was still radical in exposing racist whites and not trying to suck up to them in order to achieve political correctness. Malcolm X certainly had a greater knowledge knowledge of Africa than some blacks in America have now. He believed in African unity among the Old World and the New World completely.
Dr. King was much more moderate or establishment liberal in the 1950's and early 1960's. By 1967, Dr. King woke up so to speak about what was really happening in the world (in a higher level. Poverty and Vietnam opened his eyes that the current vulture capitalism wasn't feasable in solving problems) and was assassinated in 1968. I would mention that Dr. King's Beyond Vietnam speech was just as good or better than I Have a Dream Speech since the Beyond Vietnam speech was more about relevance today. A lot of white people feared Malcolm X more since Malcolm X progressed to be more radical at an earlier time than Dr. King. Malcolm X was opposed to the Vietnam War back in 1964 in a strong fashion and wanted America to be brought up on charges for violating the human rights of black Americans in 1965 as well. A lot of the public hated both men in the USA until the late 1970's-early 1980's.
-By Timothy
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Yeah even some African Americans were still speaking African languages 35up untill the 1950s the last descendants from African captives. From modern day Benin search up Codjoe Lewis (last surviving African captive to USA) who died in 1935 Mobile, Alambama USA his family group were speaking thier native tongue till at least the 1950s.
But most African Americnas descend of African captives during the 1750s modern day Angola and have next to no cultural connection to this ancestry today.
Caribbean dialects eg Jamaican patois is bassically broken West African speach (Igbo & Yoruba) of English.
So I find it amusing when you both go against eachother with such ignorance to how related you really are betweeen yourselves.
-BigsmokE8
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That is ridiculous nonsense. How can anyone have "next to no cultural connection..." See how crazy that sounds? Apparently you do not know what culture is. Everything about us is our culture. And it all originated in Africa. Of course, there have been corruptions do to slavery. But, it is still essentially an African culture. You can take an African out of Africa. But, you cannot take Africa out of an African. I do not care if a million years have passed. We are still Africans and will always be Africans. The white man is not some kind of god who can wave a magic wand and say "You ain't no African no more. You are an Amwerican now because we whites made you and American." I mean he can do that all he wants to. But, it will not change a thing. That is absurd.
-Abdurratln
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We, the descendants of enslaved Africans have been brainwashed to a certain degree by white supremacy, many of us do not even realise this, however the signs are there for those who have their eyes wide open, I do not even think that those Ex-slave Liberians or Sierra Leone folk even realised just how much of the white supremacy mentality they were carrying, which is a shame!
Even our culture has been polluted with white supremacist ideology which we use against one another without realising it, we are also a victim of beliefs that the wicked massa beat into our people, example did you know that during slavery if a Black person was caught with a book trying to read they would get their fingers chopped off, or at least receive some serious lashings, it was forbidden for slaves to read as they wanted slaves to stay stupid...But now books are to Black folks what Kryptonite is to superman or what a cross is to Dracula, we hate books!...This is us carrying out slave training 150 years after the end of Slavery!...
Those Ex-slaves thought they were better than the Natives and treated them like crap, all because Massa gave them a plot of land!...They sound like the kind of Black folks I would not care for.
We need to identify what was done to our people during slavery, what training we had received, and then do the exact opposite, example, fill our houses with books and read everyday of the week!
-The Revolutionist
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100% correct my Bra. Thing is if you look at what is happening around Africa. You'll see that ordinary people are for peace with each other from diffent tribes and rigions.Thing is the pink fools won't let that happen.Look at how people of diffent tribes in South Africa were divided among themselves by these fools before & just after 1994.Black people need to unite no matter what.
-Ukadebona
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I agree very much with your post.Nail on the head.If you read most of Shaka Zulu's teachings.He said exactly the same thing you are saying.He knew that unity was very important for all blacks irrespective of tribal affiliations.He was a Zulu by tribe but was raised by the Mthethwa's.He once told Mshweshwe the ba Sotho king that if we don't unite as black.One day people with hair like donkey's take will take us over & divide us even more.Was he wrong? Most his people died in the hands of the pinks.Incuding most of his brothers.
-Ukadebona
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i like how back in the day, the Zulus would intermarry with different women of different tribes and this was actually encouraged to foster unity amongst the tribes. even amongst us batswana, a lot of our people are married to Swazis and Xhosas because our government used to send lots of people there on government scholarships to pursue their tertiary education. 2 of my uncles came back from Swaziland with Swazi wives, and one of them is my favourite aunt. when i look at my own family and extended family, you'll find that most of the married couples do not come from the same tribe eg: my maternal grandfather is Mmirwa whilst my grandmother is Lozi. when i look at my whole family, i cannot help but see that africans would get along without the socio-political and socioeconomic order of the day interfering eg: i once heard south africans (many of whom were Zulus) complain that perhaps Mbeki's only major fault was he only lavished his people (ie: Xhosas) with government tenders. if this is true one can see how politics can be the devil that divides the people and unless political leadership is corrected in every way, africa will never come alright
-choas 411
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So how do you feel about the reparations that are being paid to Israel by Germany, Russia, France and the USA every year. According to a 1990s report in TIME Magazine, these reparations amounted to US$7 billion annually.
The reperations have amounted to about $70 billion so far.
If they are entitled to it so am I.
I don't see you calling them money grabbers....I didn't think so.
-The Revolutionist
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Meet my people, The "Jamaican Maroons" who gave the British slavers hell.
http://old.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence...
Congress Apologizes for Slavery, Jim Crow
http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/trans...
After all the governmental acknowledgements for their role in the slave trade are over, there will be claims for damages all over the world and there is nothing you can do to stop it, once your people have acknowledged they hace commited a crime, someone (governments) will have to pay the damages.
-The Revolutionist
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TSLGDGTO88VR6HDNT/p6
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I wonder why African-Americans, Caribbean or any other people are ridiculed for the way they speak.
What some people call Ebonics, patois or what have you, are POPULAR modes of speech.
In fact, most WHITE PEOPLE do not speak "STANDARD ENGLISH." Most Britishers do not speak the King's (or Queen's) English.
What is callled standard or "proper" English is the manner(s) of speech and writing of the intellectual, professional and business classes.
What's the big deal? In school I learned standard English. As a child I learned English as it was used within my family and by neighbors. "School" English is learned later, unless you happen to be child born and reared within the privileged classes where the "standard" is the standard.
The educated minority among Blacks use standard English unless they choose not to; but the masses of Blacks mainly do not.
The educated minority among whites also use standard English unless they choose not to. The great mass of white people do not.
That seems to be the case in every culture. The average Frenchman doesn't speak the French of Flaubert, Camus or the Ecole Normale Superieure.
The average Roman didn't speak the Latin of Cicero, Vergil or Tacitus. And when Latin was spread to Gaul by conquering Romans, the average Gaul eventually spoke a Gallicized form of Latin.
I have noticed that white RACISTS believe that a low estimation of them is the same as a low estimation of whites in general.
Apparently, those bigots of European descent see themselves as REPRESENTATIVE of whites in general. I imagine that if I were a prgressive, or just reasonably DECENT white person, I'd be OFFFENDED that such low life rascals thought they represented me.
-Savant
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BLACK INVENTORS
Willard H Bennett and George Edward Alcorn - Spectrometer
Willard H Bennett - radio frequency mass spectrometer.
George Edward Alcorn - a method of fabricating an imaging X-ray spectrometer.
Nathaniel Alexander - patented a folding chair.
Virgie Ammons -(women of color) a device for dampening fireplaces.
Benjamin Banneker - a striking clock entirely from wood.
Janet Emerson Bashen was issued U.S. patent #6,985,922 on January 10 2006, for a "Method, Apparatus and System for Processing Compliance Actions over a Wide Area Network."
Doctor Patricia Bath,- patent (#4,744,360) was for a method for removing cataract lenses that transformed eye surgery by using a laser device making the procedure more accurate.
Andrew Beard - patented a plow
Miriam Benjamin - a patent for an invention she called a Gong and Signal Chair for Hotels.
Edmond Berger - invented an early spark plug on February 2, 1839.
Henry Blair - a patent on October 14, 1834 for a seed planter and a patent in 1836 for a cotton planter.
Bessie Blount - a patent a device, in 1951, that allowed amputees to feed themselves.
Sarah Boone - patented an improvement to the ironing board (U.S. Patent #473,653) on April 26, 1892. Sarah Boone's ironing board was designed to be effective in ironing the sleeves and bodies of ladies' garments.
Otis Boykin - improved electrical resistor used in computers, radios, television sets and a variety of electronic devices. His resistor helped reduce the cost of those products, a variable resistor used in guided missile parts, a control unit for heart stimulators, a burglar-proof cash register and a chemical air filter. In total, Otis Boykin patented twenty-eight electronic devices.
Charles Brooks - Street Sweeper Truck
Phil Brooks - a U.S. patent for a "Disposable Syringe" #3,802,434 on April 9, 1974.
Henry Brown patented - a "receptacle for storing and preserving papers on November 2, 1886" This was a fire and accident safe container made of forged metal, which could be sealed with a lock and key. It was special in that it kept the papers separated. Perhaps an early forerunner to the filofax?
Marie Brown - The first video home security system was patented (patent #3,482,037) on December 2, 1969 to Marie Brown. The system used television surveillance.
Doctor Robert G Bryant - headed the team that invented Soluble Imide (LaRC-SI) the self-bonding thermoplastic that received an R&D 100 award for being one of the most significant new technical products of 1994 for NASA's Langley Research Center.
John Albert Burr patented the rotary-blade lawn mower.
All these people not only created, they also maintained and "taught" others to do likewise. And that was just the As and Bs. Now get that foot outta ya mouth and that dumbfounded look off ya face and go quietly out the door you came into.
-Ankhsanamen
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